House Republicans are jumping off the sinking ship

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4304344-house-republicans-are-jumping-off-the-sinking-ship/

Some great quotes.

Someday the Republican party will regain it's senses.

 

It could take a very long time. Their current insanity is progressive and might be "terminal".

 

There are some court cases that could accelerate the recovery. There will be no disputing the Florida case since the Judge is his girl that knows if she acts too much like his girl she won't have much of a future. Can't wait for the accusations of her commie liberal beliefs.

 

With the Trump Party constituted with their current flagbearer, the recovery is way off. Worse case senario, he wins in 2024 with lots of foreign help (again). Best case senario, the Trump Party base continues to shrink while barreling off the cliff.

 

Today is NOT that day, tomorrow is not looking good either.

While we are talking about just 2 people out of 200+ it does not sound a lot but if they SWITCH to voting alongside the Dems that is a shift of 4 votes in the House giving the Xtofascist controlled GOP even LESS wiggle room for dissent. If DeSantos is expelled that narrows the margin to the point where a single member could make or break the extremist rightwing agenda.

But let's put another perspective on this current insanity.

Terrorist organizations are well known for holding extremist positions outside the mainstream and for refusing to negotiate. They take hostages and have no qualms about using violence as a means to achieve their nefarious ends.

The Xtofascist dominated Khaos Kaw-Kuss (as opposed the House Republican Caucus) is only lacking in the use of violence otherwise they would fit the definition of Domestic Terrorists. Worth noting that their "Dear Leader" is quite OPEN about wanting his supporters to use violence.

Beau of the 5th Column did a video of the TWO types of Republicans.



Genuine conservatives are NOT the same as those who embrace Xtofascism.

This distinction is what the OP is about, those who ADHERE to what are genuine American conservative values of yore are few and far between these days and REJECT the Xtofascist dominated Khaos Kaw-Kuss Agenda.

What measures can they take to REGAIN control of their party?

If I was in their shoes I would start with putting together an alternative Conservative Platform that addresses the REALITY we are facing and how those issues will be addressed in Congress. This becomes a rallying point for those who are genuine conservatives and serves as a means for DIFFERENTIATING themselves from the authoritarian rabble that is intent upon DESTROYING everything that made our nation exceptional when it was founded.

The Founding Fathers outright REJECTED the imposition of RELIGION on We the People. This is a CORE value that genuine conservatives RESPECTED because it REMOVED one of the MAJOR CAUSES of strife and war from our society and the government of We the People.

The Xtofascist controlled GOP wants to DESTROY that core value which will cause the entire structure to fall apart. Using religion to dictate healthcare and education is the top of a slippery slope that will result in using religion to decide who is allowed to vote. The Israel/Palestine conflict tells us how that will end.

There is one SAVING aspect to bear in mind, while the Xtofascists have taken over control of the GOP they are still a MINORITY of our nation and will NEVER be the majority.

 

But to what degree and when? Soon enough to prevent irreparable harm? I think it's too late already.

Will "stop the steal" fade as a primary animating force? Sure, but I assure you somewhere around 25-30% of the base will never believe Biden won the election and that is inherently destructive to our fragile democracy. Will the party cease to lean towards authoritarianism during troubled times after Trump is off the stage? Not IMO.

Will they begin to stop seeing compromise as weakness when Mitch is no longer there to engineer minority control of the government? I don't believe they will. That would consign them to permanent status as the party of irrelevance.

Will their positions on abortion, gun control, global warming, tax policy, immigration moderate over time instead of becoming more radical? Perhaps. But only because they can hardly go any further to the right.

I fear we are stuck with them being essentially as they are for a very long time. Dismissive of fact, disdainful towards compromise, and disrespectful towards the idea the majority is entitled to set the nation's course.

 

They'll only come back to their senses when they stop watching Fox News and other far RW media. Therefore, it won't happen anytime soon. Trump is just a symptom. He is good at exploiting their discontent and disdain for people other than white conservatives. However, the seeds for that discontent are sown on Fox News every day, by painting everyone as the devil, who has a different, less RW opinion.

 

I can't recall you ever being on board with Republicans.... So, it's hard to believe you're being in any way sincere here...

 

Before Reagan. John B Anderson was the last Real Republican and had to make a new.party. He was a social liberal and fiscal conservative, my kind of guy. I always voted for him until I heard Obama speak while running for the senate. Since Obama it's been less vote Democrat than vote against Republican.

 

So, literally, you haven't been on board for 50 years. Are you still on board with democrats given what they stand for these days? It seems entirely antithetical to your theory.

 

I haven't been "on board" with Repubs since high school but at least back then you could have a civil conversation with them over areas of disagreement. Not waste time arguing about things like who won an election or the color of the sky.

 

Get your candidates in line then. Hillary, Stacie, so many examples of how democrats have churned the world in their disappointment on their overall performances. And now you're concerned that a republican might also complain? Ridiculous.

On a side note. I'm positive that @StillBlue can answer for themselves.

 

When Speaker "Bible Boy" Johnson appeals to Democrats to prevent the government shutting down, will the same prissy full-mooners who savaged McCarthy crucify him?

 

Surely you are aware that you asked a rhetorical question. From the time he does not do what Trump wants, he's gone.

 

Why does Trump get to play the martyr while crapping on everyone else?

 

His whiny and victim mentality base....and.....drama draws media eyeballs hence $$$$s.

 

I agree that the GOP is in disarray and simply 1 wing of the 2 wing Uniparty, but the claim that the election of 2020 was honestly conducted is pure BS.

 

I believe the ONLY way for the Republican party to regain its senses is for them to lose badly in 2024. And they must do so with Trump at the helm.

The alternative would be for conservatives to rebel. But, at this point, I don't see that happening at a scale large enough for the GOP to recover quickly enough without their extremists. Trump has managed to make the Republican party completely dependent on MAGA-extremists. Even though they are not a majority within the party, they are the minority they chose to be led by over traditional conservatives.

 

I'm okay with complaining. Attempting a coup, not so much.

 

Some are jumping on the ship...........

House Speaker Mike Johnson on Tuesday endorsed Donald Trump for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, while defending the former president’s efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss to President Joe Biden.

“I’m all in for President Trump,” Johnson said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “I expect he’ll be our nominee, and we have to make Biden a one-term president.”

Johnson suggested he had already thrown his weight behind Trump, saying, “I have endorsed him wholeheartedly.” But it was unclear when the Louisiana Republican had previously given Trump his official backing.

Trump had not officially endorsed Johnson when he became the Republican Party’s fourth nominee for speaker last month, amid a drawn-out scramble to replace ousted Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.

But Trump gave what he called a “strong suggestion” to “go with the leading candidate, Mike Johnson, & get it done, fast!”
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/14/spe...rses-trump-defends-false-election-claims.html

..........despite............

Ex-Trump allies detail efforts to overturn election in Georgia plea videos

A former attorney for Donald Trump has told Georgia prosecutors that a top presidential aide said to her in December 2020 that “the boss” did not plan to leave the White House “under any circumstances,” according to a video recording obtained by The Washington Post.

Jenna Ellis, a onetime Trump lawyer who pleaded guilty to lesser charges in exchange for her testimony in the Fulton County, Ga., case, told prosecutors in the video that Dan Scavino, Trump’s deputy chief of staff at the time, was unfazed by her view that the president was running out of options to challenge Joe Biden’s victory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...p-georgia-case-videos-overturn-2020-election/

How To Think About The Leaks

Let me throw up a bit of caution sign here and offer a way to process this information. For legal types, including the former prosecutors who populate cable news, there’s a tendency these days to look at new developments like this one through the prism of the prosecutions of Trump. Which is to say, a very narrow criminal procedure prism, with things like admissibility, reliability, and probative value.

But you are not a judge or a juror. In making your own judgment, you need not concern yourself with the high standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. Journalists, historians, and politicians also don’t need to use such a narrow prism.

A lot of what comes out at the trials is going to be things we already knew. We may learn new things in other venues that don’t come out at trial. All of that can go in the hopper as we make a collective judgment about Trump, Jan. 6, and the conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/proffer-session-recordings-tapes-georgia-rico-trump

Bombshells aren't bombshells when you get bombed every day.

 

Democrats are jumping to, at about the same rate as republicans.
So, a non issue.

Except that Nancy (antoinette) Pelosi retracted her promise to retire this cycle.

Apparently the insider trading thingy is just more than she can resist.

 

Let's assume your unsubstantiated claim is true. Please identify a Dem who left the party because of congressional dysfunction caused by party members or a Dem who made claims his/her party has become anti-democratic.
For that matter, identify one who was drummed out of the party like Liz Cheney for pointing out violations of the Constitution and the oath of office by a Dem prez.

 

That sinking ship has better pill numbers than anyone else right now. I wouldn’t call that sinking

 

Here you go, Lee. But I'm not going to play your "why" game of gotcha, it isn't relevant. I doubt we get the honest answers from any politician about what they're up to.

The current list of those leaving the house, from both parties. Please note that I had to heavily edit the story to get it to fit here, but all of the names are here.
House incumbents not running for reelection in 2024 (thehill.com)

Here are the House members who say they won’t be running for reelection in 2024.

Democrats retiring from office
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (Ore.)

His district, which includes north Portland and much of its southeast, is a solidly Democratic district that has a Cook Political Report rating of D+22, an indication the seat is likely to stay in Democratic hands in 2024.

Blumenauer was elected to the House in 1996 in a special election to fill the seat of Democrat Ron Wyden, who left the lower chamber for his current seat in the Senate.

Rep. Derek Kilmer (Wash.)

Kilmer, 49, announced he would not run for reelection in early November.

“I’ve looked at life in chapters. The decade I spent working in economic development. The eight years I spent in the Washington State Legislature,” Kilmer said in a statement on not seeking reelection. “The nearly eleven years I’ve already spent in the U.S. House of Representatives. I never intended for this chapter to be something I’d do for the rest of my life, and – as I shared with my kids – I’m excited to start a new chapter when my term is complete.”

Kilmer previously served as the chair of the New Democrat Coalition from 2019 to 2021 and was the chair of the House Modernization Committee from 2019 to 2023.

Kilmer’s district is considered “solid Democrat” by the Cook Political Report, at a rating of D+6.

Rep. Grace Napolitano (Calif.)

Napolitano will retire at the end of her term after 25 years in Congress. Napolitano, 86, was first elected to Congress in 1998 and is the oldest member of the House.

Rep. John Sarbanes (Md.)

Sarbanes announced in October he will not run for reelection in 2024, saying he is being drawn back to his previous work with nonprofits and volunteering in his community.

Sarbanes’s seat is likely safe for Democrats in 2024, with Cook Political Report forecasting the race will be “solid Democrat” with a rating of D+10.

Rep. Jennifer Wexton (Va.)

Wexton announced in September she will not seek reelection in 2024 in light of worsening health challenges.

Wexton, 55, revealed in April she was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease. In September, the Virginia Democrat said her diagnosis changed to progressive supranuclear palsy, which she described as “Parkinson’s on steroids.”

Wexton was elected in 2018 to represent Virginia’s 10th Congressional District, which will likely stay Democratic in 2024, per Cook Political Report.

Democrats seeking other offices
Rep. Colin Allred (Texas)

Allred announced earlier this year he will run for the Democratic nomination to challenge Sen. Ted Cruz (R).

Allred’s Senate bid could be an uphill challenge, however, as Texas has not elected a Democratic senator in 30 years. Acknowledging this, Allred said “someone like me was never supposed to get this far” and that he has “taken down a lot tougher guys than Ted Cruz.”

Rep. Lisa Blunt Rochester (Del.)

Blunt Rochester will not run for her seat in the House but instead for Delaware’s seat in the Senate, which will be left vacant by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), who is retiring.

In her announcement for her Senate bid in June, Blunt Rochester pointed to several themes used by Democrats in 2022, including abortion and threats to democracy during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

Rep. Ruben Gallego (Ariz.)

Gallego will not seek reelection in the House but will instead run for Sen. Kyrsten Sinema’s (I-Ariz.) seat in the higher chamber.

Rep. Jeff Jackson (N.C.)

Jackson will throw his hat in the ring for North Carolina’s attorney general in 2024 after just one term in the House.

“A group of politicians in North Carolina just redrew my congressional district to take me out. They’re going to replace me with one of their political allies,” Jackson said when announcing his decision in October, per The Associated Press. “That’s political corruption. And I’ve got news for them. I’m running for attorney general, and I’m going to use that job to go after political corruption.”

North Carolina Attorney General Josh Stein (D) announced earlier this year that he would be running for the state’s governorship.

Rep. Andy Kim (N.J.)

Kim announced in September he would not run for his seat in the House and will instead challenge Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), who is facing a federal indictment on corruption charges.

Kim is in his third term in the lower chamber after being first elected in 2018. His district represents parts of southern and central New Jersey, with the newly drawn maps including more Democratic voters than the previous district’s boundaries, per The Associated Press. Cook Political Report rates the district as “likely Democrat” with a score of D+5.

Rep. Barbara Lee (Calif.)

Lee is part of the crowded race to replace the late Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

In launching her Senate bid in February, Lee, 77, said she is running for the higher chamber because “Californians deserve a strong, progressive leader who has accomplished real things and delivered real change.”

Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.)

Porter also has eyes on replacing Feinstein. She announced in January that she would run for the open Senate seat in deep-blue California.

Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.)

Schiff jumped into the California Senate race last January with the hopes of replacing Feinstein.

In announcing his Senate bid earlier this year, Schiff said the U.S. Senate needs a fighter “who has been at the center of the struggle for our democracy and our economy.”

Rep. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)

Slotkin launched a bid to succeed Democratic Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) earlier this year, just months after she was reelected to a third term in the 2022 midterm elections.

Rep. David Trone (Md.)

Trone is seeking Sen. Ben Cardin’s (D-Md.) seat in the Senate after Cardin announced he would not seek reelection.

Trone said he is running for Senate “because the clock is ticking,” pointing to issues like drug overdoses, mental illness and the high incarcerate rate of Black people in the U.S.

Republicans retiring from office:
Rep. Ken Buck (Colo.)

Buck was the second Republican to announce he won’t run for reelection, just hours after Rep. Kay Granger (Texas) announced her plans.

“Our nation is on a collision course with reality and a steadfast commitment to truth, even uncomfortable truth, is the only way forward,” he said. “Too many Republican leaders are lying to America, claiming that the 2020 election was stolen, describing Jan. 6 as an unguided tour of the Capitol and asserting that the ensuing prosecutions are a weaponization of our justice system.”

Rep. Kay Granger (Texas)

In her announcement, Granger said she is “encouraged by the next generation of leaders” in her district.

Rep. Debbie Lesko (Ariz.)

Lesko said she won’t run for reelection because “Washington, D.C. is broken.”

Rep. Victoria Spartz (Ind.)

Spartz will retire from her seat representing Indiana’s 5th District.

“I won a lot of tough battles for the people and will work hard to win a few more in the next two years. However, being a working mom is tough and I need to spend more time with my two high school girls back home, so I will not run for any office in 2024,” Spartz wrote in her announcement last February.

Republicans seeking other offices:
Rep. Jim Banks (Ind.)

Banks is running for the Senate seat being vacated by Braun, who is running for governor in the Hoosier State.

Rep. Dan Bishop (N.C.)

Bishop will run for North Carolina’s attorney general instead of seeking reelection for his seat.

Bishop, 59, was elected to Congress in 2019 and has come out as a prominent member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus.

He represents North Carolina’s 8th District, which leans red with a Cook Political Report rating of R+20.

Rep. Alex Mooney (W.Va.)

Mooney will not seek a sixth House term, but instead will challenge Sen. Joe Manchin (D).

Launching his Senate bid last year, Mooney said he was “all in” and hammered Manchin as a “liberal Democrat.”

Mooney, 52, is serving his fifth term in the House. His district is considered “solid Republican” by the Cook Political Report with a score of R+22.

Unfortunately for America, Nancy Antoinette has broken her promise to retire this cycle, but simply cannot give up the cash cow insider trading she is so well known for.

 

You do realize that not one of the democrats said they're quitting out of disgust for their comrads and actually listed their future endeavors? That's the point being made.