How does this make America great again?

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  1. Bran Muffin

    Bran Muffin Active Member

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    I don't think anybody believes any politician when they say they will bring jobs to the US. All politicians have to say this and none of them have a clue as to how to do it. It is like saying Gesundheit when someone sneezes. Just a stock phrase with no importance.

    Private employers create jobs, not Presidents.
     
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    As of right now companies are forced to outsource because that is how our system is set up. They either do that or be uncompetetive and close down. Even HR departments and Tech support something you would think needs to be completely on site is outsourced nowadays with only 1-2 "customer facing" people left in the US.

    Trump at least attempts to bring it back by introducing protectionist measures. He cant unilaterally disarm. He already has 4 bankrupcies out of the 100's of businesses he started. That would just cause more.

    Our politicians including Clinton and the people who purchased her have designed our system so that hiring Americans makes you uncompetetive.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    bring manufacturing jobs to the USA from China, Mexico, Guatemala, India, Vietnam????

    yeah, and monkeys may fly out of my butt!!!!!!!

    those jobs are gone, mostly cause we have a somewhat decent minimum wage and good worker safety standards.
     
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    so basically wages here > wages there means that we dont get the jobs. Because of the minimum wage etc right? That is the main calculation of your claim? I ageree 100% fully.

    What if wages here + tarrifs or any other mechanism < wages there. That means we get the jobs. There is an advantage in being the consumer of these products. We need to use it. For instance the US is a much more important market to multinationals than mexico, brazil, or any other 3rd world country you can think of.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sure, we can let companies pay people $1 an hour and have (*)(*)(*)(*)ting work conditions with no benefits.

    maybe we'll get some jobs back from China, but we will be a third world country again.
     
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    Who is Drumpf and what's with the new Gaping Maw face on Crooked Hillary?

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    http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2016/07/is-there-some-reason-why-hillary-keeps.html

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    Who is Drumpf and what's with the new Gaping Maw face on Crooked Hillary?

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    http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2016/07/is-there-some-reason-why-hillary-keeps.html
     
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    Right.... And Hillary accepts all sorts of donations so how can she say she will overturn Citizens United....

    This is the dumbest logical fallacy, playing by existing rules on a level playing field in order to compete and win does not mean they don't want to change these rules for all players if elected.
     
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    What exactly do you think that you are looking at? If you look closely, you will see that the last item that was listed that did not relate to his or Ivana's clothing lines was purchased in 11/26/2014. They were ASUS computers purchased for Trump Hotel. The fact is that outsourcing materials and outsourcing jobs are two separate issues. Do you only buy products made is the US? Or if we check your closet will we find a bunch of stuff made in Taiwan, Korea, China, ect...?

    Question: What has the Democrats done to bring jobs back to this country? The two things that draw companies to move jobs overseas is lower tax rates and lower labor costs. Have they offered a reduction in the Corporate Tax Rate, or lower the Minimum Wages in the US?
     
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    The problem is, people in the US cannot compete with Chinese labor. This isn't due to arbitrary minimum wages. It's because the US has a higher standard and cost of living. No one can survive in the US on China wages or lower.
     
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    Hillary accepts all sorts of campaign donations, including from Donald Trump, and yet she STILL voted for McCain-Feingold.

    explain that!!!
     
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    Based on your logic, if she had any principles and wanted to overturn citizens united, she would not be accepting donations... Your logic, not mine.
     
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    no, that's not my logic.

    that's YOUR logic.

    Hillary isn't a slave to her donations, and that's why she voted for McCain-Feingold.
     
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    So Hillary accepts all sorts of donations from all dubious sources and we are to believe that she wants to overturn citizens united? If she had any principles should would lead by example and rejected those donations, don't you agree?
     
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    Only someone who's never been hungry, and has zero concept of working poverty, could possibly imagine that we all have the choice to buy home grown products. And he/she would be an obnoxious poser if he/she compounded his/her ignorance by demonising those who don't do it.

    I literally can't stand the tossers who spit toxic venom at those who buy their produce at the supermarket, instead of shopping at hipster growers markets. Go buy a week's groceries for a family of five at a growers market. I'll guarantee it'll set you back $1000. The same costing probably $250 at best at the supermarket. The problem is that these obnoxious morons are almost always single (being too hip, too precious, and too dysfunctional to tolerate family life), and buy one apple at a time. Oh, and they're obnoxious morons.
     
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    and your solution to solving poverty is to make sure we outsource all our jobs so that no one has any money to buy anything.

    Oh wait i forgot your one of those who believe everything is great and we are at full employment.
     
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    Last line - plenty of American companies have proven that's not true.

    And its still no excuse for what Drumpf has done.
     
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    I have no objection to his family Americanizing their last name but I DO object to his hypocritical attack on Jon Stewart whose family did the same thing.

    So, this is just my way of pointing out that hypocrisy.

    If it makes you feel better, just plug in Trumpery and/or Duh Donuld.

    K?
     
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    Answer: As the Republicans. They're the ones who have blocked this.
     
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    what if the chinese worker earns 1 dollar but it costs 5 dollars in tarrifs and 5 dollars in transportation to bring the good back here while the american worker earns 8 dollars and it costs 2 dollars in transportation to bring the goods where it needs to go?
     
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    I don't believe anything in particular about America, not being an American. I'm simply stating that you can't expect people to buy dresses for $150 when the same item can be purchased for $15 down the road. Whether that's at Kmart, or at a charity store. Yes, buying at $150 would create more local jobs, but if that $150 isn't available, it makes not a jot of difference if it's a philosophically and economically bad 'decision'. It's the only 'decision' which can be made. Pretending that we all have a choice is deeply obnoxious. I say obnoxious because no one in the western world can genuinely be ignorant of what working poverty looks like.
     

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