How much would a border fence cost? Would $182,000,000 be a good start?

You really think that would happen? We couldn't even get conservatives to agree on making BP pay for their own oil spill. You really think we are going to get them to agree to send CEOs to anything less than Club Med for criminals?

 

Finally, something we agree on.

 

Remember the Congressman who actually apologized to BP? Good Lord.

 

60% get in by overstaying their visas, and an un-American Berlin Wall wouldn't work. Pass a good SS ID card in the Schumer/Lindsay Graham imimmigration bill. End the problem forever. Boehner refuses a free vote, which would pass.

 

anyone who reads Allen West and takes his diatribes as fact makes me sick.
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of course it won't happen. NOBODY in power on the right wants the illegal immigrant workforce to ACTUALLY go away... they all just TALK about it to placate the morons who vote for them. Talk tough about booting all the illegal immigrants out... talk tough about repealing Obama's executive order... let that roll for a few news cycles and then, it's business as usual, and make no mistake about it, American business, and by extension, the American consumer IS addicted to the cheap labor from south of the border.

 

Probably because our government is taking their guns from them...

Did you know now pairs of BP agents are SHARING guns? Yeah. Our government doesn't want to. Just like we could have eliminated the Taliban in Afghanistan within 18 months if we REALLY wanted to, but we dont or wont.

Probably because we dont want to close the border. Its not a matter of if we can, its a matter of do we want to. We can. We put people on the moon. We make 3D printed organs. You think we cant stop a bunch of uneducated Hispanics from walking across a desert? Please.

 

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

How about those lives? Husbands, fathers, wives, daughters, cops, students, nurses, bartenders, teachers...

All killed by illegal border jumpers. Do you really value human life? Or only when it fits your agenda?

No need to answer that.

 

Steady, there. Your paranoia is showing.

yes, temporarily, as the guns are systematically withdrawn for maintenance, because they've demonstrated a tendency to malfunction -- a 40% failure rate, in fact.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/1...s-say-agencys-gun-recall-puts-them-in-danger/

Horrors! Wanting agents to have guns that actually work! OMG!

Uh-huh. Now your conspiracy hat has slipped into view.

Ah, the old "We can put a man on the moon, so we must be able to do anything" argument. Epic, epic fail.

 

I'm not the one saying we should ignore Garner and instead concentrate on building walls to keep poor people out of the country.

 

How many of them were killed by the children taken care of by BCFS?

 

I support 100% what the Republicans want to do on illegal immigration.

Liberals, moderates, Libertarians and all non-Republicans should back the GOP's plan to fix the illegal alien problem.

It's your baby now GOP.

Build as many fences as you like. Imprison as many business owners as needed. Deport en masse as many as possible.

 

Of course a fence by itself isn't going to stop people. But it could dramatically reduce the number of illegals crossing the border if it was one part of broad series of serious steps to actually secure the border.

 

Conspiracy? I was there. I saw it. Imagine, being in my position, and having to stop firing at someone who was shooting at you just seconds before because he threw down his AK after he ran out of ammo. Throw down the gun and walk off, that's how you avoid becoming a casualty of our military.

It would be comical in a movie. Not so much in real life.

 

why are all the victims listed in your goofy website only ALLEGEDLY killed by people with hispanic names?

 

Oh, about $2,000/line foot. Unless you don't care about people digging under it, laddering over it, or driving through it.

 

I googled some of the names and sure enough the names came up in the news, with convictions or facing charges.

 

If Americans want to limit Mexican immigration through the Southern border there would be a quite easy way:

hit Mexican economy. Tell Mexican government that for any alien coming from Mexico, the US will apply a tax on the importation of goods from that country [if you can include cocaine in this ... you will win this war!], furthermore, US will decrease investments in Mexico.

I guess that immigration from Mexico would quickly decrease [because, this is my educated guess, this immigration is in a certain measure accepted, when not aided by Mexican government ... better to leave poor Mexicans go to US .... less social costs for Mexico].

 

If memory serves, E Verify wasn't part of the Senate immigration bill. The bill was going to establish some new system some years down the road...

 

So you would like to see babies with their heads blown off just to keep Republicans out of office?

That is partisanship!

 

I read the bill again only about a week ago, and I'm quite sure eVerify plus employer penalties were and remain in the bill.

I don't know what was in the first rendition that was created by the Senate. I know that that version had far less money for border security improvement. But, the bill was then negotiated with House members and significant changes were made. So, when it passed the Senate, it also would have passed the House (according to Boehner's whip count).

If you have evidence counter to this, please post it. This is something where I certainly do not want to be incorrect.

 

You can probably pick up an old second-hand wall in China cheap, but it won't be nearly long enough to span the 5,525 miles along the northern border as well as the 1,989 along the southern one. It could be supplemented with pieces of that Berlin one, as well as that barely-used Maginot Line.

Maybe if this West character got some of his far too numerous fellow media entertainers to volunteer for sort of a "Habitat Against Humanity" project, it would keep them busy actually doing something for a while instead of merely whining incessantly.

It would keep all those annoying "taggers" occupied as well.

- Or, just move the Southern border up to an extended Mason/Dixon line and kill two birds by abandoning the part that will just be a tropical swamp before long as the climate changes. Most of its victims there will just deny it anyway.

 

That's a broader issue than just immigration. I don't understand why the government prefers to settle for cash when it catches firms violating the law rather than criminal charges to the level where criminal decisions are made. CEO's and executives are well compensated to be responsible for such things and if they are criminally negligent they should face criminal charges rather than using company funds to pay fines. But we've gone through several years since the financial crisis, and although millions have been paid in settlements, no one has gone to jail or faced criminal charges. That's a problem in my opinion.

 

If it would keep the kind of people who advocate killing unarmed civilians out of office, if would be worth it.

 

It changes things in that:
- it isn't a crime to be here without (or with expired) documentation. It's a civil misdemeanor. Crossing the border illegally is a more serious offense. There are legal differences.
- spending $40Billion on the border (which is in the bill that passed the Senate and would have passed the House) does NOT slow people from arriving by visa and staying. Since more than 40% of those here long term without documentation came here with visas, one should not expect that border work would solve the problem.
- It changes how we should look at the Senate immigration bill. That bill includes multiple approaches to slowing arrivals - all of which are necessary.

As for "send them back", there are several important reasons that this is not a solution. They include:
- political limits (it would appear as a war on Hispanics. Law requiring this won't pass our congress.)
- practical limits of moving any significant percent of 12 million humans
- legal limits such as limits from our constitution (such as those that block Arizona from their unAmerican policing strategies)
- humanitarian (Mexico is a relatively small, poor and poorly run country that can't withstand an influx of that magnitude, plus there would be massive disruption of families here, young Americans left behind by parents, etc.).

This is just not going to happen. It really doesn't even matter that it's what the law says. And, remember that we forgive people for breaking the law as a standard part of the justice system of every state in our union - America believes in amnesty as a standard part of our justice system.