How Putin uses missile defense in Europe to distract Russian voters

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    You don't get it and I know what is what over there.

    You can't give the guy a large amount up front because he will just take it and feed you false info.

    But we have extensive files on a lot of these people much of it given to us from the intelligence agencies of Middle Eastern Nations and we select a very specific few who are our best bets....we give them a taste but not enough to really make it worth them screwing us over and we tall them if their intelligence is actionable the rest of the money will be deposited into an account of a specific bank and we offer them extraction.

    This works REALLY WELL especially because such men almost ALWAYS ask us to get out a relative for them and this way we have the relative and they get a taste and they go for the big money.

    And as I have said MANY TIMES.....I am not Military.

    If they had done what a bunch of us suggested they do we would not have this problem to begin with!!!

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    And by the way.....do you know WHY ISIS was even allowed to grow in the first place??

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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you remember how you (I always mean the US military, not you personally) were given the run-around in Afghanistan by the talibs and the warlords, and how Karzai lied and (*)(*)(*)(*)ed you around? And you paid some bloke so much money he was buying new properties in Saudi Arabia (I think it was) with it.** Well they're still doing it - they're laughing at you, and they'll take you for all you've got. Even now you don't understand why you're so despised and ridiculed, and you don't understand because you're so unbelievably self-deluded. ** Watch Bitter Lake for god sake - you'll learn so much from it.

    No, but I've a feeling you're gonna tell me? :mrgreen:
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    Ok...first.....the ORIGINAL PLAN...was NOT to go Nation Building in Afghanistan as all of us KNEW the history of Afghanistan and how no invading army had EVER been able to hold territory and consolidate all the tribes and warlords over thousands of years to be under the authority of one central government so WE KNEW....that was something that we should NOT DO!!!

    16 of us were on the ground in the first couple of weeks and we directed massive U.S. Military air strikes that killed 10's of thousands of the enemy.

    WE ROUTED THEM!!!

    Then.....some idiots in DC changed the original plan and decided to go nation building in a country that was still in the stone ages!!!

    The U.S. Military did it's JOB!!

    What happened after was strictly political.


    OK...as far as ISIS......we s\aw this happening as well and we could have nipped this in the bud BUT....at the time the idiot Shia Government in Iraq went and removed or cleansed all the Sunni Military Officers and Leadership out of the Iraqi Military as well as removed ALL of the Sunni Government Leaders upon the local, regional and national levels.

    These Shia IDIOTS went and made their buddies who had absolutely ZERO Military experience a bunch of pretty uniforms with medals on them for things they never did so they could play Soldier and the grunts remained primarily Sunni.

    Because of this Iraq was on the verge of Civil War and Sunni/Shia infighting was out of control.

    Now....I will NOT detail this out on this forum but I will let you guess WHY ISIS was allowed to exist and grow.

    ISIS is comprised of a bunch of crazies...many who were let out of prison and many who were former Mental Health patients and then of course many joined from other nations.

    They wanted to develop a Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

    They are all hardcore crazy Islamic Sunni Extremists.

    The Iraqi Governmental Leaders and Military Leaders at that point were ALL SHIA!!

    Understand now??

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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a bit pushed for time right now but I'll analyse what you say when I do have the time, and respond. A quick scan of your tells me there are one or two things which need a response.
     
  5. Garm Zandor

    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    Ow I did my research. I see that you do not realize how antiscientific your description of that wunderwaff(l)e was and how unpractical it is. I did call if "floating Chernobyl" for a reason.

    1) Not going to happen. And what do you mean by "must"? Your wishes are irrelevant - he is democratically elected leader of Syria and acknowledged by UN.
    2) I doubt that "few Middle Eastern Governments" would care about you scolding them, but generally it makes sense
    3) Yea, but there is one little problem - Sunni Arab States ARE the Daesh. How you are going to coordinate with them attacks against them? It will be the same situation as today - bombing civilians, arming terrorists.
    4) Iran behaves more or less responsible in the region, do not see the reason why would you want to do that.
    5) Why? Yes, they may have their own agenda, but they found compromise with the Russians and Syrians to ensure their own security. That was a responsible thing to do.
    6) Well, that is if you will get UN security council approval or Assad's permission... you may try - but history suggest that nothing good will happen
    7) Duuuuuh... You haven't done that yet? Ow, I'm kidding... Like you are going to sieze Turkey, Quatar, Saudis and your own assets.
    8) Why we haven't thought about that before? We can also tell rapists not to rape - that would solve things in a blink! You do not see the problem in Islam doctrine, do you?
    9) Aaaand... it will look like that http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/29...their-hands-on-more-u-s-weapons-syria-rebels/
    Or you want to send some alien looking prototypes that would never see the light of the day if someone with actual engineering degree would see them?
    10) I think you should figure out which one of US agencies do what first. Because good chunk of Daesh are the mercenaries owned by your government. You can just fire them or request information you already paid for.
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    As far as the FEL....go to the U.S. Navy's website and it will detail it's plans to eventually have a 100 Megawatt FEL beaming capability on the Ford Class carriers.

    This is why the new Ford Class has the two A1B Nuclear Reactors each with an output of 300 Megawatts each for a total of 600 megawatts which will power the ship...the meg-lev catapult system and the FEL.

    Now please by all means detail out what I posted that was so non-scientific?

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  7. Garm Zandor

    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    Ok, so
    1) FEL requires bulky, fragile and insanely expensive facilities. How that would work on a warship?
    2) Do the word "Chernobyl" ring a bell for you? FEL means radiation. And not just radiation from energy source, but also as part of FEL. Warship is by no mean is a lab or somehow controlled environment. Do you understand the consequences? Or ship will be unmanned? Drone boat/barge with laser installed on it? Will you build a sarcophagus around the FEL on the ship?
    3) I don't even need to comment that:
    Summary: With missile technology levels today - warships are very vulnerable, that's why "stealth" principles are applied if possible to new projects. Huge pile of metal, radioactive, which can be rendered useless by little kinetic energy applied, because of fragile equipment - how that would work?
     
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    The FEL is not a particle beam.

    Yes it uses an electron stream but NO....it's not like it is a Neutron Beam.

    And you can look for yourself as far as how this will be installed in the Ford Class Carriers.

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  9. Garm Zandor

    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    I suggest at least to read "X-Ray Free Electron Lasers: Principles, Properties and Applications" at http://pbpl.physics.ucla.edu/Education/Text/oe_fel.pdf first
     
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    Read.

    FEL vs. Optical Laser

    Describes the similarities and differences between a Free Electron Laser and a "conventional" optical laser

    Radiation from a Free Electron Laser (FEL) has much in common with radiation from a conventional optical laser, such as high power, narrow bandwidth and diffraction limited beam propagation. One of the main differences between the two lasers is the gain medium: In a conventional LASER (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation) the amplification comes from the stimulated emission of electrons bound to atoms, either in a crystal, liquid dye or a gas, whereas the amplification medium of the FEL are "free" (unbound) electrons. The free electrons have been stripped from atoms in an electron gun and are then accelerated to relativistic velocities.

    LINK....http://photon-science.desy.de/resea...asics/tdr_fel_vs_optical_laser/index_eng.html

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    Read.

    The coauthors explained that an optical-technology limitation of FELs was overcome by realizing "that a relativistic beam, as a gain medium, has a unique property: It moves at nearly the speed of light and therefore can remain coupled to its own radiation for long distances, even dozens of meters. Thus the spontaneous synchrotron radiation can build up enough to begin the process of microbunching. That method of lasing, called SASE for self-amplified spontaneous emission, has no wavelength limitations."

    LINK....http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/news/10.1063/PT.5.9052

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    when the US grab spheres of influence, its ok? Russia taking back lands, is not?

    its of low quality, gets tiresome and intrusive, does nothing for glory of the locals, this calls to be put an end to.

    most likely it will be that, if the US indeed is about to get a new weapon which gives it the edge over Russia.
     
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    As far as losing the sphere of influence...that happened when the Soviet Union collapsed.

    If we had any intentions of attacking that would have been the time.

    But did we...no...we helped you instead.

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    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    So I'm giving you document describing principles of FEL and suggesting to scale everything for industrial size. You give me back short description for dummies. Do you see that we are not on the same page? FEL won't be viable as a manned weapon at least next decade and you can see it if you read the document.
     
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    READ.

    In terms of weaponization, the FEL (Free electron laser) is the laser device of choice and “holy grail” for weaponization in the 2020 time frame.

    LINK...http://www.nextbigfuture.com./2016/03/us-navy-plans-for-scaling-free-electron.html

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    Garm Zandor New Member Past Donor

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    And from the first paragraph it is clear that Mr. Wang has literally no freaking idea what he is talking about. "reduced operational costs and lower manpower requirements " my ass. And he is describing laser weapons from freaking computer games. "some specialized support equipment" in form of freaking full scale laboratory, nuclear reactors, high-energy physics machinery and everything required to operate it including staff?
     
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    As I posted and you can as I said go to the U.S. Navy website they intend to have the first FEL weaponized carriers up and working around 2020 to 2021.

    They also intend to have close to or at 100 Megawatt beaming capability buy 2025 to 2026.

    So yes this will take a decade.

    But that is what I posted all along.

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    don't confuse the destruction of USSR with its nukes destroyed, the latter was not to happen.

    you helped only destroy what was left of Soviet structure, not build anything in place of it.
     
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    It cost us over $300 Billion just to buy and destroy all those old Soviet Nuclear, Chemical and Biological weapons and destroy them in an environmentally safe manner.

    We also pumped in several Billion dollars to prevent the new Russian economy from collapsing.

    If we didn't do those things you would have nations like the Ukraine and Georgia with a LOT of Nuclear Missiles pointed right at Russia right now.

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    that's what's told to US taxpayers, but no one saw these destroyed fully, of course.

    so it did collapse in 1998 huh - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Russian_financial_crisis

    what makes you think they'd point them at Russia and not in the opposite direction? USSR had disbanded only on the premise that its former republics stay neutral, if not pro-Russian.
     
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    Well I know they were destroyed as my Team and I provided security for U.S. Military Weapons Destruction Teams in Russia, Ukraine and Georgia.

    Where do you think the Ukraine and Georgia would point them right now?

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    like, seen in person, all of them destroyed?

    at USA if still had any.
     
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    So you just ignore arms industry fraud running for decades in US and believe in any irrational mumbo-jumbo they throw at you?
     
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    I believe the former Soviet Union needs better "common operating agreements" and better "quality of service" agreements, in lieu of reconstituting their former Union, and engaging us in an Industrial Automation race instead of any Arms Race.
     
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    I have intimate knowledge as far as this project.

    I am not per say in the loop.

    But I know enough about it to know that what is made public is several years behind the reality.

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