I am a HUGE advocate of alternative energy because...

Discussion in 'Survival and Sustainability' started by NoPartyAffiliation, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. PrometheusBound

    PrometheusBound New Member

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    You can't change this failure if you continue to accept some very basic and unquestioned assumptions that have caused this failure. Giving money to researchers is a lost cause. It comes too late in their lives. The real talent has been excluded by that time.

    Preparation is not only an integral part of production, it is the most important part. It is unnatural for anyone to sacrifice his present for the future. If I had Bill Gates's money, I wouldn't give a dime to any researcher. Our unproductive class-biased indentured-servitude college education must be replaced with highly paid
    professional training, starting at age 16.

    Gates himself was born in the top 1%. Therefore, in a society that rewards genius from childhood on, there should be 99 more Bill Gateses. If you don't understand the concept that some of the greatest computer geniuses know nothing about computers, you are following the parasites' insulting idea that genius will automatically fulfill its potential by some magical and imaginary Invisible Hand.
     
  2. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    It is impossible to solve problems when you cannot clearly define the problems. As long as you believe your conspiracies you remain incapable of defining the problems. If you start with a position which is ludicrous you will end in a position which is ludicrous...
     
  3. Windigo

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    I find it hard to understand how a bird thresher betters our environment.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    If you cannot understand alternative energy versus fossil fuel energy then you probably should not be posting on these types of forums...
     
  5. NoPartyAffiliation

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    So then you oppose cars, trucks, trains, planes, oil rigs....

    Oh wait. I get it. The Source told you that you should be against any power not approved of by Big Conservative Brother and so therefore, you must comply. Got it!
     
  6. Windigo

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    I am the big conservative brother.

    As I said wind and solar work in niches that is it. Anything more than that is just a con.
     
  7. Windigo

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    I think you dont understand it. If you think that "alternative" means inherently environmentally friendly.
     
  8. NoPartyAffiliation

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    How beautifully you parrot what The Source tells you your opinion should be.

    Those of us who still think for ourselves know about the three major market transitions that take place with all new technologies. Those who have their opinions fed to them say "Horseless carriages! They're a CON!" :)
     
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    I'm not really going to dignify your ad hom with a response.
     
  10. Anders Hoveland

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    Who is "we" ? What exactly does "have to" mean? And what exactly is "energy independence" ?

    Because if this just means banning things, I am completely against it.

    And just remember to factor in how much pollution it took to manufacture your solar panels and wind turbines in China.
     
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    Energy independence: a source of renewable energy able to be produced for cheap in the united states that can be superimposed as an alternative to oil, of which a policy would allow us to get away from the failing petro-dollar. Ya know, like Nuclear, Fusion, Geothermal...
     
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    It is a good point to mention the amount of pollution involved in the production of solar panels and wind turbines. Still, I would assume that this would decline after a while to the point where renewable energy powers its own production process. If you look at statistics about Chinese solar companies, they are dominating the market. And for a massive country like that, its extremely positive. China needs time and its efforts in introducing renewable energy will eventually pay off.
     
  13. PrometheusBound

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    It would be better for China to seize the oil in Brunei and Indonesia, which costs less than $5 a barrel to produce. Muslim OPEC must be partitioned among the importing countries.
     
  14. OldManOnFire

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    'Nuclear, fusion and geothermal' are not replacements for 'oil' except potentially those who use oil for heating. Your choices cannot replace lubricating oil or gasoline which is refined from oil.

    Also...I don't believe 'nuclear, fusion' are 'renewable' energy sources?? Renewable energy kind of sort of means natural resources that exist for humans to use, like the Sun, wind, waves, even rain and tides...things that for all intents and purposes ARE NOT finite.

    Lastly...don't know where you come up with 'cheap'?
     
  15. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am also interested in all forms of energy , I believe in the kitchen sink where we use all we have availible, as we use more and more solar panels and wind turbines it will get cheaper , we also need to harness our hydropower , we have an old mill here in westbrook maine that used to make its own power why have we let them fall apart?
     
  16. OldManOnFire

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    When it's dark there's no solar power generation. When there's no wind there's no wind power generation. The very nature of some of this alternative energy tells us we must utilize all forms of renewable power generation.

    For those who give credence to global climate change, knowing we already have water shortages in the USA, we should be creating 10,000 more reservoirs all of which create hydroelectric power and distributing the potable water via canals and pipelines to all areas of the USA.
     
  17. PrometheusBound

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    We should have irrigation canals and pipelines to get the wasted summer melt from far north latitudes such as most of Canada. Also South Americans, South Africans, and Australians could run pipelines to Antarctica.
     
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    Everything about more water supply and distribution will be required in the future. Since we already have water shortages in some areas, the time is now. Water distribution will create more arable land for farming and will create residential and business development outside of the current high-density population centers. All of which creates millions of middle-class paying jobs for decades. Snow melt and desalination need to be part of this water system. Instead of 5% farming in the USA why not kick this up to 25% of Americans being involved in producing something to sustain people and feed those who cannot feed themselves? Why not have a national goal to be a major exporter of fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains, etc.?
     
  19. PrometheusBound

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    There is actually enough fresh water frozen over the continent of Antarctica to cover the entire US except for Alaska. Instead of these useless NASA adventures, we should start really developing the Earth, where we belong. The 1959 treaty not to develop Antarctica is a key to a world that's lost its way.
     
  20. Albert Di Salvo

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    Wind turbines kill endangered bird species. That is justification all by itself to kill wind farms.
     
  21. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    There has not been a shortage of potable water on Earth; we simply don't have enough water where we need it today and into the future.

    NASA has nothing to do with providing potable water for humans??
     
  22. NoPartyAffiliation

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    LOL! And um, do you KNOW what oil rigs kill on both land and in the sea? Someone needs to change the channel and then maybe they won't look so follish when they keep parroting FOX all the time.
     
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    I'm an advocate in the sense that once I buy a home I'll fit it with solar paneling and sign up for a green energy plan from my utility provider, not in the sense that I want government to force it on individuals.

    Does that count?
     
  24. Albert Di Salvo

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    Then stop oil and gas drilling if it somehow kills birds. But in any event the Endangered Species Act can be used to sandbag the development of wind farms because of the mortality for endangered and threatened raptors. No wind energy now or ever.
     
  25. OldManOnFire

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    http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/wind_faq.html

    I suggest both birds and humans can cohabitate Earth...
     

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