I am voting for Trump

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  1. Rush_is_Right

    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    Change my mind.
     
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    You are so emotionally invested in Trump that there is no argument that will change your mind.
     
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    There is no argument to be made to stop someone from doing the right thing, for himself, his family, his country. What you meant to write, correct? Yes.
     
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    I voted for Gary Johnson (yes I know, it was stupid. At the time I felt it was better than Trump or Hillary), but I changed my mind and now am voting Trump. I'm not a die hard supporter but I'm not throwing a 3rd party vote away anymore. This left wing temper tantrum has turned this country upside down.
     
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    I did the same in 2016, felt like throwing away a vote, but I could not vote for Trump or Hillary. Like you however, I have really been put off by the left over the last several months at least. This descent into lawlessness is ludicrous. So this time I am going to vote against them specifically. Looks like I'm voting for Trump. Not wasting a vote on 3rd party this time.
     
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    I too, voted Johnson in 2016. I did not feel it was a wasted vote because I wanted to do my part to get a viable third party a seat at the table....

    ...however...

    I will not vote third party this time because the veil has been peeled back on the evil that is the progressive democrat ideology, and not voting to counter that evil would be unacceptable to me.

    I would swim naked through a vat of broken glass and alcohol to cast my vote against the democrats this time.
     
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    I held my nose and voted for Trump because Hillary was totally unacceptable. After four years of Trump policies, judicial appointments and standing up to China and the ruling elites I can't wait to vote for his second term.
     
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    Healthcare is a major crisis in America.

    The past few years have shown us that Trump and the Republicans have no idea what to do about healthcare, they only tried to tear down the ACA/Obamacare with no replacement.

    Biden, along with democrat support in Congress will restore the ACA and work to improve it. How can you say no to healthcare? :)
     
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    That would be fun to watch!
     
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    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    You have healthcare. Call 911 and watch the ambulance show up without ever asking if you have insurance.
     
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    Easy. Healthcare is not the responsibility of the federal government. Their is no guaranteed right to healthcare in the Constitution. In fact, quite the opposite. The Constitution specifically states that, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    That is called the 10th Amendment. This means if you want a government to provide for your healthcare, there are 50 individual states which are authorized to regulate that to varying degrees. How about we let each state decide how to take care of the healthcare industries where the local officials are more answerable to the people?

    Oh, why do people keep saying we are in a healthcare crisis?
     
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    Oh, I see. You want to play Russian roulette with your health. :(
     
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    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    ???
     
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    Let's say you need an outpatient surgical procedure. You have insurance so you never ask the Dr. how much it will cost because, you aint paying for it. Then ask the Dr. how much will it cost if you pay cash? You would be surprised.

    Think car insurance, would you pay cash to get your car fixed so your rates wont go up?
     
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    Ok, so besides some government regulations, the ACA is actually served to you by private insurance companies where you buy their coverage. Americans seem to like that, that's why we should support the ACA and bring healthcare to the masses.

    As for why healthcare in America is in crisis, it's because people either can't afford health insurance or else they need to pay through the roof for medical care. And the next frontier of healthcare is tackling the high cost of prescription medications.
     
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    You can't just treat chronic conditions by going to the emergency room at the nearest hospital. Many conditions need to be monitored by a specialist and treated with prescriptions.
     
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    You may think it's crazy but most ailments can be treated by altering your behavior and your diet.
     
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    Surprised by high or low prices? I ask because I don't think we are talking about the same thing when we talk about cost of medical care. At least not unless Medicare-for-all gets passed. Biden isn't going to do that so it's not worth talking about.
     
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    Ok, so health care went nowhere...

    What about Social security? Everybody loves it. It not only gives us income in retirement but it also provides insurance against disability. Protecting your benefits for years to come is a Democrat policy point. Who can say no to Social security? :)
     
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    That is the very heart of the problem. The ACA was designed to fail. That is why it was pushed through to a vote while the ink was still wet. Obama claimed that no bill will be passed that has not been public for more then a month. Then the first major bill pushed through went to a vote within 48 hours after it was published. Remember Pelosi said that you had to pass it before you can know what's in it? Well, what was in it was a requirement for states to expand their Medicaid rolls, and create their own stated insurance exchanges. The SCOTUS said both requirements were unconstitutional. There was also an unbudgeted bailout of the insurance companies that had taken on customers that had preexisting conditions. Because it was unbudgeted, the SCOTUS ruled that it as Illegal. That ruling caused insurance companies to pull out of the ACA in droves. Oh, and let's not forget the lies. You can keep your doctors. You can keep your insurance if you like what you have. Both proved to be outright lies. They knew it when they said it. Hell, Harry Reid said as much himself. He said that the ACA was nothing more then a stepping stone in the direction of a single payer system.

    The Democrats are offering two options. One to to tweak a failed program, or pushing for a ridiculous program called Medicare for all which is actually Medicare for none. Recently, I saw a commercial promoting a system known as (wait for it...wait for it....wait for it) Medicare/Medicaid for all. The commercial said that states would expand their Medicaid rolls to include anyone under a certain income threshold, and Medicare would cover everyone else. I did not see who sponsored the add, but I would bet that it was Spanberger. Sounds like some of the crap she pushes for. I guess she missed the part where SCOTUS said that requiring states to expand their Medicaid rolls is unconstitutional.

    The fact is that as long as Pelosi has control of the House, no GOP will ever make it to the floor, That is because Pelosi refuses to compromise. So, why even bother writing a bill that would never see the light of day. The thing is that this vote will not have any effect on the health care issue. No matter who wins the Presidential election in November. The GOP will still hold the house. A tweak of the ACA or Medicare for none will not make it through a Senate vote. I know you would love to see the DNC have control of both legislative houses, and the Presidency, and I hope both the legislative houses and the President is controlled by the GOP. But until either one happens, nothing on this issue will be accomplished. The GOP has offered Pelosi olive branches on a number of issues, but she has chewed all of them up and spit them back out.

    I would personally like to see both Pelosi and Mitch McConnell get replaced. Maybe if that happened, we could return to the days where common sense out weighted political grandstanding.
     
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    For much of my voting life I worked as a consultant for local and state governments; I worked for incumbents and decided that the nature of my work required me to maintain impartiality to partisan doctrine. Then, once I retired, my internal sense of ethics prevented me from voting for candidates of which I had little knowledge and would not vote for an unknown quantify based on a partisan sense of loyalty, even in the country of the other of my dual citizenship. In that other country I am associated with a party, but am sometimes vilified as a heretic because I don’t maintain blanket loyalty but will offer criticism of partisan benefitting policy positions I find counter to the benefit of all.
    In 2016, I was could not in conscience vote for any of the candidates running for President, so I voted for myself as a write in...Lol.
    This go, however, the strategy and tactics of the Dems have caused me to consider what I used to consider unthinkable; while not enamored with Trump and the GOP, I am considering voting straight line against the Dems.
    In my life, I have never caved threats, intimidation, and the taint of extortion from any quarter, and that is how I view what is the subliminal (perhaps not so subliminal) strategy being weaved by the Dems who are basically laying a foundation that suggests rationalized mass violence and political retribution if the perceived impediment to their increase in power and collectivism, that they have that they narrated is embodied in Trump, is not voted from office. The recent image of a few of the ANTIFA/BLM mob setting up a guillotine in Portland is pretty symbolic in it’s own; the message.... pretty clear, underscored by BLM followers cheering the death of a perceived Trump supporter.
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/blm-activists-celebrated-as-trump-supporter-killed-devine/
    My next vote will be a F***Y** vote.
     
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    I voted for Johnson last time. But I have watched the last year and I had to ask my self "what could a Libertarian administration have done to combat Carona Virus?" I dont think that ideology can cope with then needs of a pandemic rushing through our country. Combine that with the violence I have seen and I have been leaning towards Trump. But his actions in Lafayette Square really pissed me off. So I am on the bubble at this point.
     
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    I saw the title and thought

    Ah! Bless!

    I guess someone has to vote for Trump
     
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    That would be putting it entirely in the hands of the government with no choice as to what they will cover for you or more important what they will not.
     
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    I wrote in Sessions last time. Voting for the Trump policies this time. Personally can't stand the guy and his bloviating but his policies were GREAT for the country far and above the Obama/Biden policies and so sick of hearing Hillary and the leftist/Dems claiming she "really" won because of the non-existent "national popular vote" will give mine to him to try and shut them up about it.

    And yes the unconstitutional Obamacare needs to be repealed and replaced with something else.
     
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