I gave you fair warning. Here and elsewhere.

You are going to assign homework, aren't you? Lay it out and I will see if anything rings a bell.

 

you mean you don't know what it is? OK-here is where FDR and his scummy administration "found" a gun control power so he could pander to those whining about a government created problem-bootlegger
congress has the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.”

 

Oh, the same place they derive authority to tax, for Obamacare. .

 

I wonder how you would feel if the government started messing with other rights? Hmm?

 

Hmmm, I had them mess with my fourth amendment rights, at midnite, with three guns up my nose. They said, you have no 4th am rights.

I know plenty about losing rights. I successfully argued my rights, and didn't go to prison.

I argued successfully against a cop and judge corruption scheme, that the attorney General enjoined, to ruin the crooks.

I am not a constitutional lawyer, but I did stay at a holiday inn express.

ALL you MEMES are belong to me.

 

uh banning assault weapons (whatever they are) isn't a tax, try again

 

Dang it, you are assigning homework.

 

What are you babbling about? Are you 12 years old or something?

 

Could you try that in a proper English accent? Now with a Melee weapon?

 

Makes sense, I used to teach law and labor relations

but if you want to debate with a professor on gun issues -such as me-you best be up on the topic

so tell us-if you claim that the second amendment allows infringements, you have to prove the government actually has the power to so infringe

balls in your court

 

I like your style turtledude, you are solid.

 

Kissing up now, I see. Turtledude has OWNED you on this topic.

 

And rightly so, if he is truly a professor. I always give folks the dignity of their knowledge and experience. Opponents need not be enemies.

I would like Turtle, Orlando and Who to help us. WE NEED HELP. Their knowledge would be invaluable for drafting legislation.

 

We already have legislation. It's illegal to kill people, whether that be with a knife, a gun, a car, or your bare hands.

 

Beautifully put. Occam's Razor at its best.

 

Problem solved. Next?

 

IE TYRANNY. Get out your guns and clean them all of you well regulated unorganized militia (18 to 45 year old citizens). We have already had a government and a judiciary which threw the 9th and 10th amendments and which left wing extremists politicians like Obama and The Clintons want to bastardize the 2nd amendment and ignore the founders who wrote the 2nd. In case anyone forgot: "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

 

It would be all but solved if we had stiffer sentences with no plea bargaining for those convicted of violent gun crimes. The FBI reports that 71% of those convicted of these crimes are repeat offenders. Can you imagine what out stats would look like if we could bring down the rate of recidivism? If they are behind bars, they can't create victims. Victims that could be your loved ones.

 

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

 

Elaborate. And once you are done, demonstrate where any court has held that constitutional rights are contingent upon population size and density.

 

Given that shall not infringe does NOT mean no touchy, changing requirements for safety bring new laws. Infringe has a meaning. NOT the one that is sold by NRA.


Even giving that one as a freebie, SMALL ARMS, are brass knuckles, and knives with blades longer than 4 inches. They are also handguns, that are contained in a holster or sling. They are NOT rifles. They are not shotguns. You are already in the weeds.

 

During oral arguments in the Heller case, the district of columbia argued that their mandate that all handguns be disabled by trigger locks was constitutional, because a trigger lock could be disabled in as little as three seconds if the handgun was needed for self defense. The supreme court rejected this argument, ruling that even a three second delay in the deployment of lethal force for self defense was an unconstitutional infringement.

And the point you are trying to make with the above is what precisely?

 

Yes, the three second delay was found to be incongruent with your right to self defense. That is a different thing than no touchy. I would imagine to make a law that guns must be locked up beyond three seconds away from firing will also be struck down.


The point I am making is: Using strict constructionism, the words and concepts in the second am. are already ignored. Brass knuckles are unconstitutionally infringed. Same with concealed knives with plus four inch blades. The only gun cited as constitutional, is a SIDEARM.

So, either you go with original language and intent, or you go with the modern. YOU CANT MIX AND MATCH.

Sidearm.
A side arm[1] or sidearm[2][3] is a weapon, usually a handgun but sometimes a dagger, knife or other mêlée weapon, which is worn on the body in a holster or sheath (in the case of a knife or dagger) to permit immediate access and use. A sidearm is typically required equipment for military officers and is usually carried by law enforcement personnel. Usually, uniformed personnel of these services wear their weapons openly, while plainclothes personnel have their sidearms concealed under their clothes. A sidearm may be carried alone, or as a back-up to a primary weapon such as a rifle or carbine.

 

Truth in posting. I had a grandfather that was killed from gang hazing by black gang in Compton. They shot, stabbed, kicked hi head into brick wall, with my grandmother watching, right in front of their apt.

The gang killed the first white person they encountered, as retribution for narcing to crossing guard, about gang hazing to rape a young girl.

My grandmother needed to be surrounded by Marshalls, or they would have lynched her in the court. The family of one killer, stood guard, in their station wagon, glaring at the crossing guard, the whole family.

The kids that killed, were let out on their own recognizance, first time in history.

I understand what mass killing is. I understand the impulse for racism. I understand what safety a gun affords. Ive been around the block.

 

If our justice system could cut the recidivism rate by not allowing those that are arrested for violent gun crime to plea bargain down to lesser charges or misdemeanors, our gun control conversation would be much less.

Early release programs for violent gun crimes shoul be scrapped.