I have shot dogs

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My dog would never kill a chicken. In fact, he would not even harm a fly.

    If I had a dog that demonstrated predatorial behavior such as killing a chicken, I would get rid of it immediately because I would never trust it around kids or other animals.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Most dogs have a prey drive. Most owners know how to handle that without abandoning their pets. Vegetarian dogs are rare.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Descending from wolves, some dogs do in fact display predatorial behavior such as killing other animals. Such a dog is not a suitable pet. If you want a guard dog or a dog fighter it would be great, but a pet?...Not so much.

    The "vegetarian" thing is a strawman. Just because something eats meat, myself included, does not mean that they are predators that will kill in a whim.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    The vast majority of dogs will chase a squirrel, rabbit, cat, or chicken given the opportunity. Yes, most of them still have predatory instincts. Failing to deal with that is the fault of the owner, not the dog. And there is nothing preventing a good guard dog or hunting dog from being a great pet.
     
  5. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Chasing a squirrel and killing it are two different things. This is another strawman argument. We are talking specfically about dogs that kill. If we were talking about dogs that chase it would be a different matter, but that is not what is being discussed.
     
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    They are different. The difference is if they are fast enough to catch it. If you are telling me that you would shoot any dog that would kill prey, then please never have a dog ever again.
     
  7. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not say that I would personally shoot a dog ( i dont even own a gun), but I would damn sure not keep it.

    There are over 300k dogs euthanized every year. During Noems 50 something years on this planet that comes out to over 15 million.

    I am not going to shed a tear for ONE of the 15 million dogs that have been euthanized during this time period that also happened to be vicious.
     
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    Most dogs will kill a squirrel given the opportunity, dude. Failing to account for that is a poor excuse for murdering them. The fact that lots of dogs are killed does not mean that every dog killed is justified. Which, yes, is the lame ass "argument" you are making here.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most dogs will kill a squirrel? Who told you that?

    Every dog killed is justified? Who said that? Please stop falsely putting words into my mouth.

    My statement that I am not going to shed a tear for one of 15 million dogs killed is not so much an "argument" as a statement of fact. There is nothing there to "argue". It is an unassailable fact.
     
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    Yes. Most dogs will kill a squirrel given the opportunity. Most dogs have SOME prey drive. Pretending they don't is silly. And, yes, pretending that her dog killing doesn't matter because of all of the other dogs that are killed IS claiming that all dog killing is justified. ANY dog killed can just be excused with "Well, FAW said lots of other dogs are killed, so it doesn't matter." Is there any dog killing that you would object to? If so, explain why that dog matters more than the 15 million other dogs.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is physically impossible for me to change my mind every second. But reality is not really your best characteristic.
     
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    It isn't impossible to do so. And you have repeatedly changed your mind. Where are you at today? Are stray dogs relevant or not? I've heard you argue both sides of this. Have you landed on what you actually believe or are you going to just keep changing your mind?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meh.

    I have expressed my position rather thoroughly and am comfortable that my point has been made.

    I am not going to keep repeating the same thing with slightly different wording in an endless loop. This is not a battle of attrition to see who can last the longest.
     
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    Some of us are dog lovers and aren't okay with needless and unjustified animal cruelty.
     
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    There is absolutely zero denial that pit bulls are a bigger problem than other breeds.

    Mainly because every damn idiot feels the need to own one when they really don't have business owning any dog because they're irresponsible owners.

    Of course there are exceptions but they seem to be rather few and far between around here.

    My white trash neighbors have eight of them. I have thwarted several attempts at attacks on my 30 lb dog who is on my property on his 15 ft tie out. I have to sit on my porch and babysit him because they can't be bothered to be responsible owners.

    The other day I came home from work in the morning and here's two male pit bulls that wouldn't let me out of my van until they got bored and wandered off. An unknown to me at the time they had been on my porch a few minutes before I got home and they growled at my girlfriend.

    If I would have known that I would have killed the damn things right then and there. So you'll have to forgive me if I'm not a big lover of pitbulls.
     
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    An animal was euthanized on a farm because it was vicious and killing the farm animals.....OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

    LOL...Spread your feigned outrage elsewhere. Its time to move along.
     
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    They are bigger and stronger than some other breeds. No, they aren't a bigger problem overall. No, I don't have to forgive the fact that your position is based on flagrant emotion and misinformation.
     
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    The owner was an idiot and wasn't watching her dog and then murdered her dog for her own mistake. Yeah, people who actually like dogs and have a problem with animal abuse get that. But, we get it, you hate dogs and love abusive owners. Move along.
     
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    Hmm.

    Being that this is precisely what I have been pushing for....consider it done.
     
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    Sure, I guess I'm just hallucinating everything that has happened with my neighbors damn dogs at large.
     
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    The only hallucination is pretending that your anecdote can be universalized. My neighbors have an ******* German Shepherd. Only an idiot would say I could use that to condemn German Shepherds at large.
     
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    Every second?? Even if I could the computer cannot handle it that fast so you would have no way of knowing it. .

    If you really believe I have changed my mind on anything, you should be able to find some unedited quotes to prove it. Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke.
     
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    So, you'll agree that Joe Biden was an idiot for getting a dog he couldn't control? Does he also hate dogs since he had his own dog murdered? or do you believe Commander is living the good life on a farm somewhere? lmao

    Newly released records from the Secret Service to USA TODAY reveal the aggressive dog was involved in at least 25 biting incidents in less than a year.

    This month, the Secret Service released 269 pages related to a Freedom of Information Act request that included email traffic with anecdotes of bites.

    It included a table with the 23 incidents from October 2022 to July 2023. That doesn’t count two more incidents in September and October that finally prompted Commander’s removal.
     
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    I can't change the mind of someone who has proven they can't make up their own.
     
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    Gee, if only they kept stats on dog attacks by breed. Oh, wait, they do!

    Pit bulls are involved in more dog attacks than any other breed. In fact, the American Animal Hospital Association reports this breed was responsible for 22.5% of bites across all studies. Mixed breeds were a close second at 21.2% and German Shepherds were the third most dangerous breed, involved in 17.8% of bite incidents.

    Pit bulls are both more likely to be involved in bite incidents and more likely to cause serious injury or death when a bite does occur. In fact, from 1979 to 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention determined pit bulls were involved in the most fatal dog attacks, accounting for 28% deaths due to dog bites during that same time period.

    Pit bulls may present a greater danger than other breeds for many reasons, such as because they have been bred to be more aggressive, are less likely to back down during fights and are less likely to give a warning before a bite.

    Dog Attack Statistics By Breed In 2024 – Forbes Advisor
     

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