I reject God because.......

You'll never see an over zealous agnostic. The only true answer is that we don't know for sure that there is a god but we can discuss the what the most probable answer is.

 

Ancient people knew the answer to the deepest, most meaningful question any human being could ever ask (how did we get here, and why?), but were still thousands of years from figuring out indoor plumbing? I call bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

Obviously there's more to it than that for me, but from my experience seems to be the best way to express how ridiculous I think it is.

 

It was easy for them. Back then, God and Jesus were performing miracles left and right. Nowadays, the best there is to offer is something lame like "Look around you, how can you not say the Earth is a miracle".

 

personally, I like Kirk Cameron's classic argument for god...

"Look at this banana.... it fits perfectly in my hand.... this proves that god created everything."

 

Junkieturtle said,

That is your opinion. If you make compromises then your position is not as set as you think it is. There is no compromise with life. You either want to protect it or you don't. You don't…you want killing legal. You just said….the idea that a mother should not have control of her body seems completely asinine…then you say in the next breathe……oh but no late term abortion. ?????????? How consistent and rational is that? You want the woman to have control…..BUT THEN YOU TAKE IT AWAY FROM HER. LMAO

DOES SHE GET CONTROL OR NOT?

No it isn't. You are saying two completely different things about the same issue. They are polar opposites. She gets control….but no she does not. There can be no compromise on someones life.

Is rape a personal issue? Is rape subjective? Is it right or wrong? Should someone be allowed to do it, or be stopped? You see you see no right and wrong really. You are all over the place. Her body is hers…..well until this month when she loses control of her own body. Rape is always wrong isn't it?

Faith is personal….but I do not believe when we are dealing with the intentional killing of human beings….that should be personal.

 

Yea I know so stupid….but could you tell me what did create everything…..just so we have the real truth on the table.

What was that first cause?

 

One does not need to prove the existence of something to believe it exists. But, there does have to be some evidence that it exists. So, I can't believe in a god without some evidence that a god exists. Faith is the belief absent any evidence. If evidence exists, it isn't faith.

 

I don't know, but I'm not gonna take the word of people who hadn't figured out algebra yet, just to make the world feel a little more comfortable.

 

Oh really. That's what you think compromise is and why it happens?

So, if someone is negotiating a contract and one party wants 25% for their services, and the other party only wants to pay 15%, settling on 20% means that the party who wanted 25% wasn't sure they really wanted 25%, and that the party saying they only wanted to pay 15% actually wanted to pay more? Is that, seriously, your idea of how and why a compromise works? Please say yes, I do so enjoy laughing.

No, rape is not a personal issue. Show me where, right now, anyone said rape was a personal issue.

 

I actually like this..... Such a mind is wide open and willing to contemplate and ask questions pertaining to the possibility; and as a result, what qualities and attributes that God would most likely have.
No condemning qualities are necessary within such a mind!

 

Why would there need to be a cause? If matter and energy cannot be destroyed, is it not possible that it always existed. Is it not possible that the very nature of matter and energy had no begining or end? Perhaps it was only parts of the universe that matter collide and stars explode and black holes destroy and life is recreated and destroyed and we see but a piece of that in our little galaxy. Have we ever found the end of the universe? Is it not possible that it universe is infinite? As improbable as the structure of the Earth might seem, in an infinite universe of space and time with infinite possiblities, improbablities are no longer improbable but inevitable. Is it not possible that when we seek the creation of everything, what we are seeking does not actually exist, that existance was, is and always will be there.

 

So all of a sudden earth sprang up…and photosynthesis…the egg….the eye….the spatial perfection of the universe just came into being? And it happened on earth…while no other planet we know shares the same make up as we do? All this came from nothing? Oh yea….right.

 

I am sure in some cultures the males believe they are owed sex and force themselves upon women. That is personal. How does that concern you?

 

Ever since the beginning of time there were questions about the universe….what it really is and how it came to be…and who created it. Did matter and space just always exist….who cares why and how? That it all happened…wholla something came from nothing? That everything was perfect…the temperature….chemicals necessary for life….unbelievable…science can't even begin to address the answers. The fact is however we exist, that is observable. And we exist and find ourselves under a moral law of sorts and humans know they ought to obey it. It was not invented, it was always there. Could this have just evolved? That innate…sense of right and wrong shared by all? Do truth and morality actually exist or is everything just an opinion?

I believe there was a creator, an intelligent designer God. There are those who reject this thinking. I believe that what someone believes about God affects everything else he or she believes. Personally I believe that if God exists that there is an ultimate meaning and purpose to your life. And if there is purpose then there is a real right and wrong way to live it. The choices I make will affect my eternity. So on the flip side…those who reject God IMO…live lives with no real defining purpose. And since there is no purpose or consequence that would affect anything….there is no right and wrong way to live it. Does not matter how you live what ya believe…no destiny.

While I believe there that the scriptures provide proof of Christ and why He came….I find what Pascal said to be true…people arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of truth but of what they find attractive…. So people who reject God…might reject him because the thought of abiding by laws that restrict them is not their cup of tea….they want to live free…free to sin to do what they want to do…live for themselves and not for God.

This is a debate site…and people here are debating all sorts of things. I particularly like the abortion threads. And most topics have to do with morality. Morality affects everything we do as human beings…not only physically but socially and spiritually. Success in life comes from our morals and the decisions we make concerning life issues….sex, marriage, our children, you name it some choices bring happiness some pain.

So whose morality should be legislated? Our laws declare that certain behavior is either right or wrong. That is morality and it affects the entire society we live in. The answers we legislate can affect every citizens life…their liberty and their pursuit of happiness. It impacts our lives…no example shows this more than abortion issue does. Abortion kills living human beings….the law legalizes this killing.

So why do people reject God…..I think its more than just having proof as the excuse…..I think they are afraid of the morality issue.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO385JwNFnI

Not as unlikely as you might think...

Like I said before, in an infinite universe it is bound to happen.

You face the same questions with a god. How is it possible there could be a creature that lives forever and knows everything and is all powerfull but you never seen it? Should I resort to sarcastic dibelief because of such a creature does not exist in reality that I have seen yet?

Which do you think is more likely? At least I know that matter exists and I know that it cannot be destroyed at the atomic level and I have witnessed evolution every day when bacteria and virus's change its function and form so that we cannot fight them off as easy. When children are born that look a little different from thier parents we have evidence of evolution.

I never said everything came from nothing. Matter always existed, it just collided like mass does in space. Mass attracts mass. Atoms atract atoms. They begin to interact and then we have stars and planets. Virus's then begin and then evolve to bacteria. bacteria to small plant cells like algea. then larger plants. etc... Anything that evolves in a way that is not benificial, dies. Thus, everything evolves to adapt to everything else and we have a interactive world full of order, almost as if it were designed by someone who is smarted than anything we seen possible.

 

Even christians cannot agree on what is moral and not moral.

I was christian and I follow the rules and laws of God and love my neighbor. I seek Jesus like the bible says and my mind keeps me from him.

If God is real, then why does he risk my soul in order to uphold faith? Why does he fail to reveal himself to me? If God where a real god, he would not need to hide behind faith.

Is faith so important to him that he would let me be tormented eternally?
Do even the greatest of my sins require the penalty of burning and snapping of teeth without end?
Would you do this even unto your greatest enemy, would YOU feel unloving and fiendish if you held someones hand over the fire even for a second?

If Jesus were really God then why did the end of the world not come within the generation of the deciples as Jesus predicted in Mark 13:30?

Why does an all powerful god need to sacrafice someone to save everyone else. Could he just not forgive them?

the questions are endless.....

 

That is not personal. Rape is not personal. Please explain why you keep saying rape is a personal issue. Do not say that I said it, because I haven't, ever. So please, do continue, and make sure you explain why the woman's right to choose whom she has sex with isn't important because it's a personal issue. Please explain how a woman's right to not be sexually assaulted is a personal issue, and not a criminal issue.

Go ahead...

 

WEll everything is a personal issue really…if one makes the decision to do something. It can be personal and criminal at the same time.

 

GrayMan said,

If they are bible believing Christians…and follow them…then there is no question to what God says is moral and immoral. Its not about what we say…but what God says.

Nothing can keep one from Christ if you have asked Him to be your personal Savior. When you accept Him…the Holy Spirit comes upon you and changes you. I am not saying you don't stubble with questions or have doubts occasionally….but if your Christs, your His child…and you know it. It's Satan that must be keeping you from Him.

 

GrayMan said,

If they are bible believing Christians…and follow them…then there is no question to what God says is moral and immoral. Its not about what we say…but what God says.

Nothing can keep one from Christ if you have asked Him to be your personal Savior. When you accept Him…the Holy Spirit comes upon you and changes you. I am not saying you don't stubble with questions or have doubts occasionally….but if your Christs, your His child…and you know it. It's Satan that must be keeping you from Him.

 

faith, religion, god, these are three separated words for me, I believe in certain things ie that there is a creator, cause and affect, humanity. Religion, I am not religious. God the ordering of the universe and by extension this world, people ask questions, why does god let bad things happen, what does it all mean, why are we here, and answer with some religion, why not let "god" speak and ex plane such things as opposed to relying on our own finite understanding? just a thought for people out there who oppose reason in favor of faith, do you really believe all that is said in your so called religion? perhaps faith has a wider and deeper meaning to the rest of the world, I know it does for me.

 

You can't explain or see the air you breathe or gravity but you believe in those. here's a clue, GOD created those things.

 

SO WRONG!

You are not born with innate ability to decipher right and wrong or you wouldn't need your parents to teach you anything.

Your arrogance against GOD just makes you look stupid, that's all.

 

You can see the direct physical effect of air and gravity has around you and so you can believe in it. God has not direct physical effect in our lives and is all invisible except through the faith of christians. If a god can only exist in faith, his reality becomes suspect.

 

The true agrrogance against God .. IMO .. is when folks claim to speak on Gods behalf. "God thinks this .. God did that" and so forth.

We have no idea what God thinks or what did or does.

Any hints we might have about the nature of God are found in nature and not some book written by man.