I thought the arctic was melting?

True. You appear to lack the required intellectual horsepower to do anything but resort to transparent fallacies. You identify no facts, and delineate no logical relationships.

BWAHAHAHAAAA!! Such a claim is laughable. With it, you condemn yourself as just another hysterical anti-fossil-fuel scaremonger.

My "claims" have already been published in peer-reviewed science journals, and are not controversial -- which, as I have explained to you so very patiently, in clear, simple, grammatical English, multiple times, means they are not new and thus not eligible for publication. Only their logical implications are deemed politically incorrect.

The consistent suppression of dissenting research findings and outright defenestration of dissenting climate scientists are what really speak for themselves.

 

You continue to make $#!+ up. A handful of corporate-owned climate journals is not the global scientific community, which has shown little interest in anti-fossil-fuel scaremongering

I see. So now, in what you are no doubt pleased to call your "mind," citing peer-reviewed papers earns even less credibility than not citing them....?

How embarrassing to watch.

 

You appear to lack any education or experience in any relevant field. You appear to have resigned yourself to trying out your rhetoric on nonscientists on anonymous message boards. You are not to be taken seriously, nor are any of your absurd claims. This is the place for you, and will be forever.

 

The data are the data, published or not.

 

And the data shows tha rtic ice receding. We already covered this. And your commwnt is not approriate, as his claims are not "data", but rather misrepresentations of and absurd claims regarding the data. Of course, this bad theater is interspersed with his claims that the scientists and their data cannot be trusted anyway. Just stand back and let him undermine himself in obscurity.

 

In the meantime the Bering strait is now open all year.

 

The temperature record I posted is certainly data.
Meanwhile, the ice:


Polar Ice Surprises! Svalbard Well Over Average, Arctic Ice Remains Steady, Antarctic Ice Growing
By P Gosselin on 28. April 2020

Polar ice showing longer term stability. No basis for behind claims of a rapid melt. By Kirye and Pierre Gosselin We keep hearing how the ice at the poles is supposedly disappearing rapidly, yet a look at the latest data show this is not the case. Polar ice has remained steady for the last decades. […]

Posted in Antarctic, Arctic | 12 Responses


Data: Northern Hemisphere Fall/Winter Snow Cover Continues To Climb. Arctic Ice Mass Stabilizes
By P Gosselin on 29. January 2020

Data from the University of Rutgers show that northern hemisphere snow cover in the fall and winter have trended upwards since data recording began in 1967. The following chart shows northern hemisphere snow cover for fall, where we see a formidable upward trend: Next we see the chart for wintertime northern hemisphere snow cover. Though […]

 

It is not credible, and your interpretations of it are even less credible. They are not even worth the time of explaining why they are not credible, because they are as substantive and meaningful as the claims of any loon on the corner with a bullhorn and a sandwich board. Attempt to publish a paper making your claims, and see what happens. Until then, I will defer to the overwhelming majority of science and scientists, not strangers on message boards with zero relevant education, experience, or published work.

 

The temperature record as posted is not in dispute. It is credible as an accepted record.

 

Arctic ice is decreasing. One can learn about this via NASA, NOAA, or any other scientific society producing materials for laypeople.

So you can defer to the global scientific community, or you can defer to anonymous strangers with no education or experience in any relevant field, and certainly no published research.

Shouldnt be a tough call. Enjoy the theater. This thread is just a self soothing therapy group for people who have failed at any attempts to peddle their nonsense in serious company.

 

It hasn't been decreasing since about 2007, now a very similar centered mean over the last 13 years.



Meanwhile I have yet to see evidence that no summer sea ice in the arctic is bad anyway.

 

"Not decreasing since 2007" is a comment that would get you laughed out of the room at NASA or NOAA. I have explained this to you before. And i predicted you would use the same specious reasoning agaun anyway. And here you are.

 

Wow you are a "believer", good luck with that.....

 

The chart is right there in front of you...., it is from MASIE, go ahead and post a arctic sea ice chart, I will use it against you...., I dare you post one from NSIDC website

 

I am a truster. You are a believer. I trust science and scientists based on evidence. You believe that, despite having no education or relevant experience or research in any relevant field , you have outsmarted the global scientific comunity. The difference between trust and belief could not be more clear, here.

 

So far you are all talk and no substance, why are you here?

Meanwhile from the NOAA & NSIDC



Graph by UNEP/GRID-Geneva, based on data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

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The decline obviously stopped after 2007

 

What an absurd thing to say. This claim would seriously get you laughed out of a room full of the people who collect and analyze that data.

 

Disproved by your inability to refute anything I have said. Unlike you, I have identified relevant facts and their logical implications.

Proving soi-disant experts wrong is kind of a hobby of mine.

I'm not the one making absurd claims that there is some sort of climate "crisis" or "emergency" when there self-evidently and indisputably isn't.

What fun!

 

That doesn't show you to have any education or experience in any relevant field. What a very odd response. When can we expect to read your published research? At what university or facility are your research ideas being performed? Do you have a title for your paper, yet?

 

They are not credible because they employ the other weapon in the climate change deniers arsenal. You find a piece of anomalous data and publish it out of context. Its why these pieces are not in scientific journals but only appear in "Thenotrickzone" and they are never peer reviewed. In this case a cherry picked anomaly in an area remote from the mainland.
In the meantime the overall arctic ice see below

 

"Climate change denier" is a sickeningly dishonest propaganda term whose use immediately and permanently condemns you as a hysterical anti-fossil-fuel scaremonger who hates the truth, science and reason.

That would describe the anti-fossil-fuel scaremongers who infest the corporate-owned peer-reviewed climate journals.

That's just baldly false. You appear to be on Trump's legal team.

BWAHAHHAAAA!! You complain about cherry picking, and then immediately post a graph of arctic sea ice that starts at the modern peak! Too funny.

 

I have a hard time grappling with their willingness to say such silly things. Take that chart. A trained monkey could find ten year sections and draw a line between endpoints and claim "no change during that decade!" But this is clearly a very dumb thing to say. A child can understand why that is dumb. I can explain it to a 7 year old, and they would understand. Do these deniers have no shame? Is there no limit to their willingness to embarrass themselves?

 

And that is a pure ad hominem fallacy, which you have to resort to because you have no facts or logic to offer.

Wish I could say the same....

I'm doing logic, not publishable research -- as I have informed you repeatedly, and you always ignore.

Does that make you feel better about being unable to refute even a single sentence I wrote?

 

Between the cycle's peak and its trough. Why have all the climate cycles in effect for eons suddenly stopped, and only CO2 now has any effect on global temperature?

And you were demolished.

False.

 

Your chart ends at 2017 and lacks a link, while mine is up to date and from the NOAA website where the data originates from.

PIOMAS is the favorite for warmist/alarmists because it gives the lowest summer sea ice values......, gee I wonder why....

Meanwhile after a number of sneering replies, from you warmists, my statement below remains unchallenged and ignored...., Gee I wonder why, but here it is:

"Meanwhile I have yet to see evidence that no summer sea ice in the arctic is bad anyway."

Polar Bears are doing fine up there.