If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

That's all I needed to know. I'm not going to ask you where this right to infect others by not getting the vaccine originates, or what it's based on. Because if you had an answer to that you would have already stated it.

 

Nothing in your post addresses the OP. Did you even read the OP?

 

Hmmm. The link is to an article by a journalist. What study specifically are you referring to? I really have little interest in unsubstantiated opinions. No offense, I just like real data. If there is a real study in there somewhere could you please link to it directly? TIA

 

The most simple answer has been supplied already numerous times. It’s absolutely impossible to stop people from infecting others with deadly diseases.

Perhaps, since you claim no right to infect others exists, you could offer some evidence of that claim. Is this just your unsubstantiated opinion again or do you have some evidence?

 

Well... I don't know... vaccine passports sound good to me, for example. Sworn affidavits, maybe.

I don't know. I don't even know if it's possible. All I said was that I'm in favor of it.

 

Which is the topic of many threads in this forum, but not this one. You can go find the appropriate thread to discuss that. This one is not it.

 

But what's the actual real percentage? That is discussed here:
Looking at the claims about hospitalizations and the unvaccinated

 

From your source - https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-report-vaccinated-breakthrough-infections-5195483
The vaccinated person can get COVID (Delta variant) and spread infection.

There is absolutely no need to attack unvaccinated people.

 

Anti-vaxxers were forging those before the vaccine debuted.

No, you said "I'm for any method." (emphasis yours).

Let's sort this thing out. It's clearly bothering you. Here's what we're looking at:

 

Why? I thought the OP was the thread subject?

What disease are you referring to here?

Are you saying there is a right to spread all deadly diseases except Covid 19?

 

Losing battle. He loves to derails threads and then holler "off topic".

 

Do you remember several weeks back when I posted that information about a spouse giving their spouse a sexually transmitted disease and HIV+ people knowingly having unprotected without disclosure of that disease? The only remedy in those cases are civil suits.

I also mentioned that to you and pointed out that it is similar to a multi-vehicle pile-up on the highway.

Ex. Vehicle #11 hits #10 who hits #9 and so on. Reverse engineering COVID we are probably looking at China for full culpability and where do you think that lawsuit would end up?

 

It's also impossible to stop people from dying of lung cancer. Which doesn't mean you have a "right" to smoke in public buildings.

That is not the question. The question is if you have a right to knowingly put at risk the life of others when you can take a necessary and simple precaution. In this case, getting a vaccine. You already claimed there is. So that's that...

Ah... Of course! The classic "pseudoscience" mantra: "If you can't prove that something you claim exists, demand that the other person prove that it doesn't."

There is a concept in Ethics and in common sense called "duty to rescue". Which is a moral concept. There is also the concept in tort law. But I'm not going there because the point is that if there is a moral obligation to not put others at risk by being negligent this, in and of itself, is enough to conclude that there is definitely no RIGHT to do so.

 

I think if vaccinated person infects another vaccinated person, the passport should be revoked ad source of infection should immediately go to jail (at least of three months).

 

You seem to have been given some false information - The vaxed person is not purring the life of others in jeaopardy. The vaccine does not stop or prevent transmission.

 

That doesn't seem like a hard concept to grasp and yet it's the lead argument accusing unvaxed of villainy most dire.

 

Exactly. This crap about "well, the vaccinated can still get it and die, and stuff" is belied by the facts. If you get it as a vaccinated person, ou don't get nearly as sick, go to the hospital or die. It sure as Hell benefits the vaccinated---and not acknowledging that is what I call "leaving the facts out".

 

The media - and associated bureaucratic pundits - have been trotting out this false narrative in an effort to manufacture consent - an evil and
wicked use of propaganda that is beyond disturbing.

This is destroying peoples faith in our medical establishment - they should not be putting forth these falsehoods.

 

Joy Reid was right to be concerned. Everyone knows Trump is a white supremacist and he made Johnson & Johnson formulate the vaccine to only work for white people. It wasn't until President Buden extended his arms and sniffed embraced America that the vaccine became safe for black, brown, yellow, red, fuscia, olive, pommegranate, non-binary Americans.

 

We can look to the law here and see the right to smoke in public has been restricted. Before the law the right to smoke in public buildings existed by default. I’m curious why you use smoking as an example. Is smoking an infectious disease?

Of course the right exists. Every time you jump in your car to get a bagel or go to a movie you put lives at risk by doing so. It’s easily avoidable and necessary if we follow your logic. Same with my previous example of eating twinkies. It’s a necessary and simple precaution to not eat the Twinkie when you know eating it can kill your wife or brother or a stranger

LOL. Asking you to support your claim with evidence is pseudoscience? I’ve already shown irrefutable evidence the right exists. Do your homework Golem and support YOUR claim.

Of course there is a right. You fully support the right to spread Covid. You have supported the right to spread Covid repeatedly in this thread. You are just too illogical to realize it.

 

Only people who have Covid can pass it to others. Walking around unvaccinated only risks yourself. As to hospital beds, they are there for people who need them and that includes people who are vaccinated and still get sick. Don't pay so much attention to the blame stories that are so popular, it isn't just Trump people who are not vaccinated or who get sick.

 

TWINKIES? Who knew...............damn!

 

LOL. They are making them again aren’t they?

 

Think you are in the wrong thread - This thread is about transmission - not how sick one gets .. but while on the this side topic.

The number of people who have a strong adverse affect from Covid requiring hospitalization is very small - the vast majority of which have 1) a comorbidity or 2) pneumonia succeptibility. For deaths it is 97% have one or more comorbidity - and another factor of 10 for peumonia succeptibility -- 9 our of 10 who die from Covid die from pneumonia.

The above group should probably get vaccinated. For those not in that group it is anythig but clear - you may now make your case - giving risk of harm for the non comorb- non pneumonia succeptible vs risk of harm from the vax.

The media not acknowledging the above "Fact" and risk assessment - is what I call "Leaving out the Facts"

What equally problematic and a whole lot more disturbing -- is that it is intentional.

 

Every Covid victim is an example of how dangerous that virus is.