It seems that Comprehensive Immigration Reform is dead. "House Speaker John A. Boehner on Wednesday flatly ruled out even entering into negotiations with the Senate on that chambers immigration bill, signaling that the issue is dead for this year and setting up major hurdles for any action before the midterm elections." The Obamacare disaster shows how all-encompassing comprehensive bills can have unintended and unknown consequences. Weve made it clear that were going to move on a common-sense, step-by-step approach in terms of how we deal with immigration, Mr. Boehner, Ohio Republican, told reporters after the meeting. The idea that were going to take up a 1,300-page bill that no one had ever read, which is what the Senate did, is not going to happen in the House. And frankly, Ill make clear we have no intention of ever going to conference on the Senate bill. Good for John Boehner. I hope he holds strong on this. We do not need to fix our immigration system. It is not broken. We just need to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books, and follow our Constitutional obligation to secure our borders in the name of national security. Watch video and read more: [video]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/13/boehner-house-wont-negotiate-senate-immigration/#ooid=RrMHE3aDqtS_y9i14N8MhGkP O7Bw8i83[/video]
False my friend. Our immigration system has been broken since then. We have estimated that 12 million undocumented immigrants are here in the United States. Most of them compromise as hispanics, while the rest are asians, africans, and europeans. It is important that we legalize the 12 million that are undocumented here. They are human beings just as us and they came here for a reason. They came to America for the land of opportunity, economic freedom, and to strive in a better country. We all know Mexico and Latin American cannot offer them much more opportunities than American has. Latin American and Mexico are countries where corruption exists and the wages they earn are not enough for bread or for water. Furthermore, you have innocent people dying in Latin American because of drug cartels taking over the government. People over there cannot afford medications and cannot even afford a doctor's visit. I recognize what they are doing coming over here undocumented is wrong, but we cannot deny ourselves that this country is great in many terms. For them, this country is the American Dream. For us it is nothing because we live here and we were born here. But for others, American means something to them. Although, I do agree that we should secure our borders and enforce immigration laws. On the other hand, the 12 million undocumented immigrants that are here should not be deported but should be given a second chance. They pay taxes like we do, they contribute to the economy like we do, they work 8 hours a day or more like we do, they are consumers like we are. It is not fair that they should be deported. They should be given citizenship status. Another thing, I do believe the immigrants that are here to cause trouble should be deported because they are harming our society. But the ones that are innocent and came here to work and to live the American Dream should be given a second chance. Unlike Mitt Romney who does not pay taxes, he does not get penalized. But for immigrants that are here and living a calm life get penalized just because they are here undocumented? Smh. -.-.
Oh hurrah, something politicans said they wanted to get down doesn't in the end even get done. Color me shocked.
We are a land of laws. Our immigration laws allow proper folks to be processed into the U.S., and those same laws allow the U.S. to deport those that do not belong here. The law-breakers that expect a free pass are a slap in the face to all those immigrants that came here the legal way, and followed our laws. Giving citizenship to law-breakers just condones more law-breaking. On an unrelated side note, Mitt Romney is a U.S. citizen and pays taxes. Nothing to do with illegal aliens.
Boehner: Immigration "Absolutely Not" Dead - Video: Mon, November 25, 2013 "Speaker John Boehner said immigration reform was "absolutely not" dead last week, but he has yet to provide any timetable for reviewing the legislation." http://townhall.com/video/boehner-immigration-absolutely-not-dead-n1752844
Let me give you some reasons why we need immigration reform. #1 Pro Reform Reason: The Economy Immigration reform is actually imperative to our economy. Passing a good immigration reform plan could add $1.5 trillion to the U.S. cumulative gross domestic product over just 10 years! In addition, it would add between $4.5 billion and $5.4 billion in tax revenue in just the first three years. This means that it would level playing field for everyone and improve wages all across the nation. This is practically Economics 101, when people make higher wages, they spend more and when people spend more, businesses succeed and can pay their workers fairly. #2 Pro Reform Reason: The Path to Citizenship Naturalized citizens earn much better wages than green card holders and other legal immigrants. Giving them a direct way to citizenship would be a boost to our economy and repair the difficulties that come from being or dealing with undocumented immigrants. A good immigration reform plan would provide a direct path to citizenship for immigrants. #3 Pro Reform Reason: The Boarder is Secure A reason given for pushing a good immigration reform back in 2006 and 2010 was border security. After making this a focus in states like Arizona and Texas, our border is more secure than ever. We've also met all of our border benchmarks so this is no longer a major concern. #4 Pro Reform Reason: Both Parties Agree In the last decade, political parties have gotten especially ugly towards each other. With each party rallying for an agenda, the real issues were being neglected. However, this year may begin a new golden era in the world of American politics. Immigration reform seems to be something both parties can agree on. Both seem to be in favor of discussing Immigration reform though decisions have not yet been made. #5 Pro Reform Reason: Our History If you're wondering why everyone is making a big deal out of immigration reform, you're not the only one. America is proud to be the melting pot of the world and yet there is very little done to make immigration easier. The demographics are changing in a way that shows we're all in this together. #6 Pro Reform Reason: The Future At this time, children born into the country are citizens even if their parents are immigrants. This law does not apply to children born in other countries that come here which means that children may forever pay the price for the decision made by their parents to move to the U.S. A good immigration reform policy would give a future to those young immigrants, giving them benefits they otherwise may not have had. #7 Pro Reform Reason: Good for Businesses As with most things economically, when something is broken, the small businesses are the ones that suffer. Undocumented immigrants have not been able to find work with larger businesses so for work, they often turn to small businesses or contractors. By making documentation easier, small businesses will only serve to benefit as it will create a healthier climate for immigrants and a more stable work environment. #8 Pro Reform Reason: Women's Work Although it doesn't seem like a natural connection, immigration reform may be a key in helping women's rights. About two-thirds of all immigrants to America are women and their children, yet only 27% of employment visas go to women. Experts believe this is because women are not taken as seriously in the American workforce as they should be. A problem many believe may be addressed with appropriate reform policies. #9 Anti Reform Reason: The Majority Some feel that a successful immigration reform policy may create a permanent Democratic majority. The majority of undocumented immigrants are Latino, and that the majority of Latinos vote Democratic. Other minorities have been crucial to Democrats in the last few elections with a percentage of votes coming from immigrants. #10 An Ongoing Issue There are plenty of reasons to support the idea of immigration reform just as there are many to hate it. Many feel it is a step in the right direction. Others feel it will increase crime rates and punish the immigrants that have played by the rules the entire time. Whatever your belief, the fact is that our nation will probably never lay this issue to rest.
I am not anti-immigrant. My Mom was an immigrant that followed our laws, and came here the legal way. I am against illegal immigrants. They are a slap in the face to people like my Mom, and disrespect this country by breaking our laws, and then throwing rallies demanding things. Screw them. Giving them anything just condones more of them. "Immigration Reform" is nothing but political speak for "amnesty". By the way, our borders are not secure. Reagan called for it with his amnesty offering, but it never happened.
Kickin' the immigration can down the road - again... Republicans' Distrust of Obama Impeding Immigration Reform February 7, 2014 -- Immigration reform "needs to be dealt with," House Speaker John Boehner told a news conference on Thursday. "It needs to get done," he insisted.
Here's a thought --- A "reasonable" compromise on immigration would condition "amnesty" for illegal immigrants on substantial new enforcement measures, to ensure that this mass legalization would be the last. But the bills under discussion almost always offer some form of legal status before enforcement takes effect, which promises a replay of the Reagan-era "amnesty's" failure to ever deliver the limits on future immigration that it promised. A "reasonable" compromise would also privilege high-skilled immigration over low-skilled immigration, given the unemployment crisis among low-skilled native workers and the larger social crisis that threatens to slow assimilation and upward mobility. But John Boehner"s "brain trust" in the House of Representatives seems to favor an approach that would create a permanent noncitizen class of low-wage workers and expand guest-worker programs --- a recipe for looser labor or markets, continued wage stagnation and fewer jobs for the existing unemployed. Let me leave you with the following thought --- The choice is not between letting "them" stay and making "them" leave. We have already proved that we can't force them out. The choice is between adjusting the law to fit the stubborn facts of life and persisting in measures to make their lives miserable. The latter is a proven loser, in more ways than one. Think about it.
I think you would agree that the southern border resembles the Berlin Wall. Border security has become the poster child of big government programs that "conservatives" typically abhor. It never succeeds, and every failure becomes the rationale for additional funding. Since 2001, the U.S. Border Patrol budget has tripled. The number of agents, which was about 4,000 in 1992, has ballooned to some 21,000 today. But the number of apprehensions has fallen by two-thirds in the past five years. Latino voters heavily supported President Obama, even though he set records for deporting undocumented immigrants. Under Obama, deportations per month have been more than 50% higher than under GWB --- and three times higher than under "Slick Willy." I think it's safe to say that if we haven't solved the illegal immigration problem, it's not for lack of enforcement. We've already done that part of the so-called "comprehensive" approach. And what's it gotten us? The number of undocumented foreigners living here rose steadily until 2008, when the Bush-Cheney's "Great Recession" made America a less "alluring" destination. Simply put --- It's not "fair" to say that the illegal population grew in spite of our Daconian efforts to reduce it. It's more accurate to say it happened because of those efforts. I think you would agree that in the "old" days, most people who came illegally didn't stay for long. They showed up, worked for a while and returned south. But when border crossings became more difficult, perilous and expensive, many of them chose to remain in the United States permanently rather than leave and risk not being able to get back. Why we should be reluctant to accept these "newcomers," who almost invariably work hard and stay out of trouble, is a puzzle to me. And the punitive approach is particularly "unfair" in the case of those who were brought here as children and have become Americans in all the customary ways, through no fault of their own. Let me leave you with the following thought --- The choice is not between letting "them" stay and making "them" leave. We have already proved that we can't force "them" out. The choice is between adjusting the law to fit the stubborn facts of life and persisting in measures to make "their" lives miserable. The latter is a proven loser, in more ways than one.
Do you know why it fell 7 years ago? Do you realize it has been on the rise for the past 5 years? Obama will even tell you his numbers are deceptive. Latinos have voted D to R by a margin of 58% -75% for the past 40+ years. Easy money is always the reason they come, the issue is them not being to easily get back across the border to go home, and then to cross once again to come back here. Stepped up enforcement has forced many to stay here. I think everybody agrees with this, as I just stated in the above answer. We have proved we can't force them out? When did this happen? Hell there was large exoduses from Arizona and other states when they put forth laws requiring E-verify, etc. Almost 1M left back to just Mexico on the downturn of the economy. You haven't proven anything other than stating your opinion.
Apparently nobody remembers the last 'amnesty' didn't work, and many employers who hired criminal illegal aliens didn't hesitate to keep on hiring them afterwards. Every video I've seen showing criminal illegal aliens makes it obvious they're not 'starving and desperate', mnay are in fact overweight and as well dressed as any average person is.
The speaker has repeatedly said that he wanted to break the immigration overhaul into pieces and pass them one at a time. Obama has even commented on a willingness to work at it from that angle. Comprehensive immigration reform as a single consolidated act has never been on the table to begin with as it is a non-starter with conservatives in the House. If the speaker wanted to make a huge play for Hispanics this year, he could do so with a single piece of legislation--raising the ceiling on work visa quotas.
So you think that legal immigrants should go to the back of the line to allow these 12 million or so to be processed? Program Benefiting Some Immigrants Extends Visa Wait for Others Many thousands of Americans seeking green cards for foreign spouses or other immediate relatives have been separated from them for a year or more because of swelling bureaucratic delays at a federal immigration agency in recent months. The long waits came when the agency, Citizenship and Immigration Services, shifted attention and resources to a program President Obama started in 2012 to give deportation deferrals to young undocumented immigrants, according to administration officials and official data. Until recently, an American could obtain a green card for a spouse, child or parent probably the easiest document in the immigration system in five months or less. But over the past year, waits for approvals of those resident visas stretched to 15 months, and more than 500,000 applications became stuck in the pipeline, playing havoc with international moves and childrens schools and keeping families apart. Now compound that with 12 million illegals and people trying to do things legally, the right way, will have a wait of decades to prioritize criminals.
Yes, the past 5 Obama years where he has ordered the stoppage of apprehensions. Obama has not set records for deportations. His Administration is using a fuzzy math formula not used before to bolster his deportation numbers. Because we are a land of laws, and should not reward lawbreakers. True border security is the obligation of the federal government. Rather than give in to lawbreakers, we should make examples of them. Deport.
It's interesting that every video you have seen deals with the "criminal illegal aliens." I'd appreciate it if you would share the specific sources you used to make this generalization. As for the "amnesty" issue you make reference to --- Let it be said that a reasonable compromise on immigration would condition "amnesty" for illegal immigrants on substantial new enforcement measures, to ensure that this mass legalization would be the last. But the bills under discussion in Congress almost always offer some form of legal status before enforcement takes effect, which promises a replay of the Reagan-era "amnesty's" failure to ever deliver the limits on future immigration that it promised. A "reasonable" compromise would also privilege high-skilled immigration over low-skilled immigration, given the unemployment crisis among low-skilled native workers and the larger social crisis that threatens to slow assimilation and upward mobility. But John Boehner's flock in the "House of Horrors" seems to favor an approach that would create a permanent noncitizen class of low-wage workers and expand guest-worker programs --- a recipe for looser labor markets, continued wage stagnation and fewer jobs for the existing unemployed. Let me leave you with the following thought --- If you get a chance, the film "El Norte" would give you a completely different perspective on the immigration issue.
"The serious problems in our immigration system must be solved, and we are committed to working in a bipartisan manner to solve them." This quote is taken from the preamble of the House Republicans "standards for immigration reform," released on January 30. Unfortunately, that didn't last long. A week after "declaring" that it's time to deal with the "political football" of immigration reform. It's seems that John Boehner is threatening to punt again. A week after declaring that it's time to deal with the "political football" of immigration reform, Boehner is threatening to "punt" again. Now! The speaker says that "The American people,including many of my members, don't trust that the reform that we're talking about will be implemented as it was intended to be." Boehner acknowledges that the failure to repair our broken immigration system rests with the RINO faction's refusal to do anything at all. Simply put --- Boehner is admitting he doesn't have the muscle to do what he just finished saying must be done. The way I see it, if the "House of Horrors" refuses to take up immigration reform this year, it's not on President Obama. It's on Boehner!
Talking about "law breaking." The lesson "We the people . . . " need to learn is that the one-dimensional, enforcement-only approach doesn't address the root cause of illegal immigration. Businesses need workers. When the system fails to provide enough visas tyo fill the available jobs, employers and workers find ways around it. Those needs should drive our immigration policy. Instead,it has been driven by politics. Let me leave you with the following thought --- I think you would agree that the "fight" over immigration reform has led to some strategic hand-wringing among the RINO people. Some "conservatives" are worried that Hispanics will be disproportionately dependent on government and therefore likely to vote for those Democrats. Simply put --- Hispanic immigrants will tend to be "takers" with self-interested reasons to support bigger government. But let's imagine that Hispanic Americans' demographic positioning looked different. Let's say they were disproportionately unlikely to have children out of wedlock, and had higher incomes and educational achievement than whites. By this logic, this should make them a natural "conservative" constituency, ready to line up with Paul Ryan and Pat Toomey. But Asian-Americans who do have these characteristics in the aggregate tend to vote for those Democrats in roughly similar numbers to Hispanics. This should be a clue that the GOP's failure with non-whites is not just about voters' economic circumstances.
The only way to lessen illegal immigration is to have Mexico's economy continue improving. No mater what we do or what laws we pass, there will always be illegal immigrants, the only thing that can truly be done is to lower the number. Our quota system already privileges high-skilled immigration over low-skilled immigration, the only exception to this is the H2A visa for low-skilled workers that has no annual quota on it, its simply limited to one field, Agriculture. Why not simply mandate E-verify across the board? Many low-skilled workers would self-deport as we saw with Arizona and Georgia. Make the H2A more user friendly for Ag, change some of the requirements in it. There are other films as well, none of them have any impact or give a different perspective of what is already known of the issue. They all play on emotion, from the illegals perspective.
More enforcement? It's a fools errand. We don't need "comprehensive" legislation. What we need is realism --- that is, accept that millions of foreigners are living here illegally and are not going to "self-deport," and that we (and they) will be better off if they gain the protection of the law. The Draconian measures needed to "get rid" of them all are no longer politically possible, if they ever were. And they probably wouldn't work anyway. Let me leave you with the following thought --- As I pointed out in an earlier post, G.K. Chesterton wrote that "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried." Enforcement enthusiasts seem to think the same is true of their preferred option.
Do you know why?.... Again, Do you know why?..... The Democrats in the Senate want "Citizenship" to be placed in it immediately, otherwise Reid won't even bring it up in the Senate.
Why should the needs of an illegal drive "our" immigration policies? Shouldn't the needs of "We the People" come ahead of all that? After all it is "our" society they wish to take from, since the overwhelming majority don't want citizenship, just the chance to work here. Your thoughts are interesting, but they are also fallacy. Most Hispanic and Asian have come from govt's that are either socialistic or communistic in nature, so the D party here falls in line with their ingrained ideals. The overwhelming majority of them don't understand our politics, they become very un-informed voters when they go to the poles and vote on single issues based on the lack of information and understanding of the politics involved.
Why should anything be accepted? Why would we be better off if they gain the protection of the law? They are already within the jurisdiction of the law and have some civil rights in that regards. E-verify IS still possible, and is being used by more and more business to include govt level usage at municipalities. We have seen them work, why do you think they probably wouldn't work anyway when it has been shown that it does? Apples to Oranges. Christianity is different to every person.
