Impeachment #2 follies

Here's the thing; Trump has to first campaign and win the GOP nomination primary in order to be the candidate against the Dems for president in 2024. That's on the RNC...if they let the SOB back in (assuming the NY courts and IRS don't chew him up), then they are equally guilty of all his crimes and abuses...."technicalities non-withstanding.

 

And, the DoJ can try him on insurrection or sedition charges in regard to January 6. Nothing to prevent them. In fact, I'd say Mitch McConnell encouraged it.

 

Totally.

IF the GOP Re-Nominated Trump in 2024, Trump would Lose in a Landslide.

And, it is already a forgone conclusion that if Trump were to get the Nomination that people within the Non-Trump Wing of the GOP would field a 3rd Party Candidate that would siphon votes from Trump and guarantee a Landslide Loss.

 

By "technicalities," you, of course, mean those pesky facts about him being acquitted and thus not guilty?

 

If those who voted against conviction was polled for the reasoning behind their vote, I be relatively certain that most of their votes were based on jurisdiction...ergo the case the Democrats made in the Senate trial were largely irrelevant.

 

The RNC doesn't work like the DNC. The DNC chooses its nominees, to heck with who Democrat voters want. The RNC lets voters choose the nominee.

 

Or, maybe, perhaps, it could just be that they found him not guilty because, well, he's actually not guilty of incitement. Trump's speech and actions after the election fall way below the standard of incitement as defined by the Brandenburg test, especially considering that he told those attending on January 6th to "peacefully and patriotically" let their voices me heard, his inflammatory rhetoric notwithstanding. Had their been an actual conviction, then there would be a dangerous precedent set, and we'd have to put other inflammatory rhetoric under the rubric of incitement.



This would have a chilling effect on free speech, no doubt.

 

Anyway, maybe Dems will work on "unity" now, or at least work on something for Americans.

Nah.

 

Too late. Democrats under Pelosi made impeachment into nothing but a cheap political tool. Why wouldn't Republicans play on a lower level with them?

Devin Nunes Predicts GOP Will Be Pressured to Impeach Biden If They Take the House in 2022

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...en-if-they-take-the-house-in-2022/ar-BB1dAjfF

 

They better impeach Biden if they take the House. An eye for an eye.

 

and which crimes and abuses would those be? that he put the good of american citizens, all american citizens, before globalist concerns? that he refused to bow to establishment political doctrine? that he attempted diplomacy with even the most recalcitrant of our international foes? that he abetted the protest of an election fraught with complications and potential abuse? millions of unsolicited mail-in ballots, the late night vote counts, the "discovered" ballots and the last minute rule changes that all turned the tide in biden's favor. if the republicans had been accused of half of this and trump had won we all know that you folks would be screaming bloody murder, there would be thousands of injunctions filed by activist judges and cities would have burned across america.

but no, the federal government is now headed by president bobble-head and the california whore and all is right with the world. the lack of intellectual honesty or any intellect at all among what we call the american left is absolutely astounding. for that matter, why do we go on with this fallacy of calling you folks the left? the origins of the political right and left can be traced to a time where those loyal to the crown were seated on the right and those who favored a more republican theme were seated on the left. what we call today's american left are clearly loyalists, devoted to the established political hierarchy, our own version of royalty. face it folks, you people are the new right and should proudly take your place with the fascists you so lovingly aspire to be.

 

It's a shame, but every time Democrats instigate a lowering of the bar, the Republicans figure out how to play on Dems low road. It's pretty clear that Dems have no intention of raising their standards though, so playing the low game is what we can expect.

 

DOJ is (slightly) more legality oriented; things like evidence mean something to them. . A doctored vid ain’t gonna stand up as actual evidence.

 

I'll have to look more closely at Brandenburg, but I don't think a conviction would be blocked by it. My understanding regarding free speech is that it cannot lead to a crime. If it can be shown that the speech consisted of lies designed to incite a crowd to act criminally, then that free speech would be prohibited. It would be necessary to show the nexus between the speech (i.e. it was intentional and the lies were known to the speaker) and the crime anticipated by the speaker. Then the speaker would become part of the crime itself.

 

Nor should it. Which "vid" were you referring to?

 

No, that's not how it works.

Wow.

Maybe that is your "utopian" vision of how free speech works, but that's not how it works.

If what you said was factual, at least half of Congress would be in prison for incitement.

 

Wasn't a representative of Congress lying. It was the President of the United States lying about the law he was elected to defend. The President is there to enforce the law. He doesn't make it. He doesn't determine whether it's constitutional or not. The Congress makes it. The Judiciary interprets it. He took on both roles and lied about both. The crowd acted on his upsurption of both abuses of power.

 

Well, he was pointing out fraud. And this election was shady as hell, from the unnecessary universal balloting, which increases voter fraud by a factor of 50 (1); to the media and Big Tech preventing any negative coverage of Biden, which very much did impact the election; and other thing; so Trump was simply voicing what people like me were and are saying and feeling. And even if there was no consequential voter fraud, the coordination between Big Tech and the mainstream press to manipulate the body politic by, for example, suppressing negative stories against Biden, such as when the New York Post tried to publish its findings about Hunter, makes this election rigged.

1.https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443864204577621732936167586

 

Nice try. But he told the crowd that fraud had been proven. Not his call. The Courts decide that. And, in the same speech, he used that lie to call upon Pence to go to "different rules" - i.e. to assume the power necessary to return the certified electoral votes to the States...which would have been illegal. The third lie was that he would lead the march on the Capitol.

 

So why so scared of Trump? Which is worse the peace or the prosperity that happened under his administration?

 

I GUESS INCITEMENT IS GOING OUT OF STYLE:



Schrodinger’s terrorist.

 

This election was rigged. Or as Time magazine may call it, "fortified." (1)

1. https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

 

Oh, I forgot. Neither can Time Magazine make that decision. Once had a social studies teacher in high school who used to say about the Luce publications: "Life Magazine is for people who can't read and Time for people who can't think." Yeah...well, that's not ENTIRELY true, just a warning on the sources. But the courts decide those things...not the media, left or right.

 

Time magazine cannot by itself change the outcome of a presidential election. But "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information" can. (1)

1. https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

 

That's called a democracy. You didn't think democracy was just about the poor did you? It's the freedom to organize as you - as an individual - see fit, within the law. And, I read the article. Thought it was a good article - didn't see anything that I'd classify as "a conspiracy." Just various people coming together for their perceived self interests. What do you think they were doing that's illegal?