In blow to gun control backers, background check compromise falls 6 votes short

In blow to gun control backers, background check compromise falls 6 votes short





By Carrie Dann, Kelly O'Donnell and Kasie Hunt, NBC News

Despite an impassioned push by President Barack Obama and an emotional lobbying effort by the families of mass shooting victims, proponents of a compromise measure to expand gun background checks on Wednesday fell six votes short of passage in the Senate.

The vote on the amendment was 54 to 46. Sixty votes were needed for the amendment to be adopted.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein pushes for an assault weapons ban in the U.S. while speaking on the Senate floor Wednesday.

The deal was the result of a deal struck between Republican Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Democrat Joe Manchin of West Virginia.

As the bill was defeated, a voice in the Senate gallery could be heard yelling "Shame on you!"

The Manchin-Toomey amendment would have extended existing background check rules to gun sales made online and at gun shows. It was vehemently opposed by the National Rifle Association, who said it infringed on the rights of gun owners. ....

and now for the rest of the story: http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ise-falls-6-votes-short?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

Seems some are going to have to adjust their thinking, I'm sure........

 

Thank goodness.

Background checks would NOT have stopped Sandy Hook. I don't know why this was even on the table in the first place.

 

Because it was a power grab. They had political momentum in the wake and all the media was concentrating on the gun they thought was used and 20 dead kids. It started with assault weapons, and then reduced to magazine bans, and then background checks. Every time they move the legal goal posts towards a world with no legally owned guns, they score a win.

Stopping them completely or turning the momentum towards more liberty is the only response to a group of people trying to take your rights to private property, how you conduct yourself with that private property, and how you enact transactions with that private property.

 

Gun owners won the first round.

But Obama is sure to win the second round. If by some strange twist of fate he doesn't, all he has to do is mandate his wish by Executive Order. Of course, such an order would be challenged as unconstitutional in federal court, but the highest federal court would find in favor of Obama and his order would become law.

... "Th - th - th - th - th - that's all folks!"

 

Who are "they"? And what power are they trying to grab?

"They", "them" .... who are you talking about?

 

It wouldn't be the first time that the SCOTUS ruled in favor of increased gun regulation.

At least the SCOTUS isn't intimidated by right-wing extremists like the Senate is.

 

Every Republican in the Senate voted to allow criminals easier access to guns.

 

LOL there is no executive order he can give, there will be no second round because democrats from western states will not support it and really "Th - th - th - th - th - that's all folks!"

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LOL you mean like Heller v DC? Gotcha hehehehehehehehe

 

You do mean they voted to stop suppressing law abiding citizens rights and put the anti gun control folks on notice that tom foolery won't be tolerated eh?

 

No. I meant that Republicans want to make it easy for criminals to get guns.

 

Really, how did they do that.....pray tell

 

Only 4% of Americans say that gun violence or gun issues constitute the most important problem facing the country today

http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2013/04/prioritizing-gun-violence-reduction.html?m=1

 

I'm not opposed to using a background check for a private sale, especially if you're selling to someone you don't know. If you're selling to a stranger and you really want peace of mind it's a good idea. My problem is forcing it by law. It's impossible to enforce. If I go to my neighbor's house I can buy a 1911 off him paying in cash with no background check. Hidden behind closed doors nobody knows it happened. Look at the war on drugs. There are dealers on streets everywhere. Police can stop some of them, but not knowing what's going on unless they actually see it themselves they can't do anything about it.

I hear some people say forced registration is the only way to enforce it. Even that is not very promising. With private transactions being so secritive unless you actually keep bills of sale for private transactions there's no paper trail for a gun you baught from a guy who baught at a gunshow. Anything you filled out a 4473 to get from an FFL already has a paper trail in your name. Even if registration was mandatory there's no proof you have the private transfer arms so who would have any idea you have the guns you didn't get from an FFL?

Even if you do register a gun you could sell privately then report it stolen. Since there's no proof you sold it if the other party gets caught with it there's no proof you actually sold it to them.

 

Obama has squandered his political capital. I hope he squanders more of it.

 

No, scared checkens won the first round and what you saw was the ME politics winning while not caring for anyone else or anything else. .

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No, scared checkens won the first round and what you saw was the ME politics winning while not caring for anyone else or anything else. .

 

The second he uses his executive power to just strip rights away from americans, every marine, soldier, sailor, and airman have a sworn duty to remove the "tyrant" from his position of power. And if for some reason they dont, the american people will. Your very freedom came from the barrels of guns from free men who would not be ruled by a tyrant.

 

you are so all over the place.......suppose you explain how the ME affected gun control. ( I gotta here this one)
you are the scared chickens.............oooooooooooooh that is a gun!!!!! It shoots bullets of mass destruction. Those people in Conn...............I'm scared all the way in Hawaii about guns because it happened on another continent. Libs are afraid of guns, not the owners. PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH give up your self-manipulating ways and go take a nap.

 

No, they voted to give them the same access they've had. A felon buying a gun is still against the law. Please explain how a universal background check will prevent the straw sales that do go on now? Straw purchasing and selling is already illegal. It won't stop due to a law requiring background checks. The only people that will have to go through background checks for private sales are the ones already obeying the law. Criminals aren't going to throw up their hands and say "I can't pass a background check, now there is no way for me to get a gun."

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How is it any easier for criminals to get guns today than it was yesterday?

 

Exactly. Universal background checks wouldn't do much to stop criminals from getting guns. The main thing it would do is inconvenience law abiding citizens, which is what most gun control laws do.

 

so making bank robbery illegal is foolish because people still rob banks?
people will still speed so we eliminate speed limits?


Yes, criminals will still break the law but enforcing background checks and making it easier to prosecute gun running will make it more difficult for them to get guns and make the guns they do get more expensive.

But republicans would rather make it easier for criminal gangs and terrorists to get guns.

it's the "conservative" way.

BTW...

Once again republicans have voted down a program that only 10 years ago they claimed to support.

 

Nothing is easier for criminals today than yesterday. I see it as a cost-benefit thing. There is a cost to this, but not enough benefit. Nothing about this amendment would have helped fight crime. It would have just inconvenienced innocent people.

 

Because it's bad for the people to allow that kind of stuff to happen, but totally acceptable for the government to do it. If they want to punish people for making gun running easier they should punish the people responsible for Fast & Furious.

 

Everything I have seen Obama do since he has been in office is style over substance. Nothing he has backed has worked at all.

 

Tell me what laws have any of your pet liberal Democrats set forth lately that contain anything about tougher penalties for actually using a gun in a crime, or for being a member of a gang (that usually are part of 80% of urban murders)?

 

irrelevant.