Christians and other religious groups are of the belief that physical matter was created by incorporeal matter, which means incomposed, nonexistent, immaterial, or religiously, what god is made of. Which leaves me with a couple of questions. If anyone has the time to answer them, that would be greatly appreciated. - If incorporeal matter exists, wouldn't we be able to capture it? - How is it different than anti-matter? - What created incorporeal matter? (divinity) - If incorporeal matter does exist, then what created it? - If incorporeal matter doesn't exist, then what created physical mayyer? If you haven't noticed, this is basically the ontological argument, with the correct terminology, and a bit of scientific context. Can anyone answer these questions? I'm not the greatest on the subject of existence, so if a Christian or Atheist (Q.4) wants to take a go at this, please respond back. I want to understand this subject deeper.
- If incorporeal matter exists, wouldn't we be able to capture it? yes. or at least detect it, or detect the effects of it on other 'matter' - How is it different than anti-matter? no idea - What created incorporeal matter? (divinity) fear of death and the human imagination - If incorporeal matter does exist, then what created it? see above - If incorporeal matter doesn't exist, then what created physical matter? why must matter be 'created'?
Scientifically, how would you capture immaterial matter? Because things can't just come into existence. Everything in the universe has a fixed starting point. An initial creation. Incorporeal matter doesn't imply god, but divinity. Divinity means the greatest possible thing imaginable. Are you saying that physical matter was always there? I would be forced to point out the philosophical errors in that belief.
the point about immaterial matter is that if it can't be detected (or captured), and its effects on other matter can't be detected , then it has no impact on our existence in any tangible way. this immediately renders it merely an idea, serving no purpose whatsoever other than in the exercise of the mind. if 'things can't just come into existence', how would divinity come into existence? are you saying divinity was always there? I would be forced to point out the philosophical errors in that belief.
Ahhh! My challenge from the past has resurfaced. Capture a thought, weigh it, measure it, run all sorts of scientific testings upon it and then present those scientific findings for public scrutiny. Matter is an interesting term. It can be used in context to the physical realm, the mental realm, and the spiritual realm. See www.thefreedictionary.com/matter for that sources complete listing of definitions. However, by placing the adjective 'incorporeal' as a descriptor, some of those definitions are dismissed because we are now talking about a specific type of 'matter'. One that does not relate to the physical realm, but still exists in the other two realms... that of mental and spiritual. Based upon the OP, it would seem that another form of matter is dismissed... that of the mental realm,,, thus leaving only the spiritual realm type of matter to be the final item of discussion. Even the 'Bible' speaks on a subject that meets the requirements of this discussion. "Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." The 'Bible' also states that 'the measure of faith' (that spiritual substance) has been given to all men (mankind). Bear in mind, that it is "the measure" as opposed to "a measure". "the measure" means one specific measurement as opposed to 'a measure' which would/could mean one of many differing measurements. The point being that faith was measured. However it was measured in the spiritual realm and not the physical or mental realm. Meaning that no physical or mental calculation or measurement can be made on the faith. Faith being that 'substance' which is immaterial.
Wrong. I said faith is imagination. Or rather, the articles of faith often are. In other words, claiming to know what the origins of the universe is/are, would be exercising the imagination, since none of us has a clue.
Okay, sorry. The same flaw is still there. How does faith create reality. It is still philosophically flawed.
Who said it does? Besides, faith is the belief in something despite lack evidence, or despite contrary evidence. Not much reality in that
"Others" would mean those that operate outside the realm of spirituality. In other words, those that have no spiritual awakening, can view such things only in the terms of either the mental realm (imagination) or the physical realm (materialism). If you are not a member of the spiritual community, then you are not qualified to speak on spiritual matters. "1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." Try again next week.
As you seem to be asking about the properties of something that cannot be observed or studied.....The answer is very simple. We do not know, and likely never will. Might as well ask everyone to explain God to you....you cannot universally describe a thing that does not exist outside human imagination....we can only provide opinion based on imagined reality.
And one of the most amazing things about all of this is that the Universe as we see it now is still expanding. Not only expanding, but it still contains a small amount of this energy of nothingness http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/16/the-physics-of-nothing-the-phi/
What is this realm of spirituality? Where is it, and how does one detect it and observe it? Could you give me all the info on this special place - I'd like a working, practical description, if you wouldn't mind
If you are familiar with the concept of the septenate process of creation, you can skip its rehash in the next two paragraphs. The cosmology of ancient races and contemporary theosophy consider creation to be a process involving seven stages or planes. The highest three are spiritual. At the top is the Godhead, nonmanifest, absolute unity, vibrating so fast that it is relatively motionless, the void. The second one is the firstborn Son of God, a.k.a. the Logos. The third one is the first manifestation, that of duality, consciousness and energy, the first two of Revelations ten horns of creation. The remaining four planes, known as the lower quaternary, are mental, astral, etheric, and dense matter (our reality being typical of the latter). Creation (a.k.a. involution, the involvement of spirit into matter) is thought to proceed downward through the seven stages, with a quantity of each stage sacrificing itself to make the next stage, yet all stages are thought to coexist in shared or overlapping space. However, the creative process is cyclic, giving way to devolution/dissolution (a.k.a evolution, the exit of spirit from matter) in the return flow back to the Godhead via the same planes, in reverse order. If spirit matter is that which is in any plane above ours, then it is generally undetectable, and its capture is not readily conceivable. Since pure spirit is consciousness and is at a level above duality, then spirit matter also implies a lofty but subordinate being, probably not what you had in mind for capturing. Even if such a being is present within our universe, the means to capture one is not apparent. Maybe voodoo has the means. The preceding is mostly metaphysics, not science. The entire universe is made up of consciousness and energy, but we dont know what either of them is (per Einstein, matter is just a dense field of energy). Although a minor amount of antimatter can be generated for a very brief moment of time in some high-energy particle collisions, Im not aware of anything known about spirit-matter that would be useful for comparison. An exploratory OOBE team inspired by Robert Monroe (see Tom Campbell, My Big TOE [theory of everything]) found that other universes exist beyond ours. These are nonphysical relative to ours, but each one is physical in its own domain. Those who travel into the astral plane and beyond perceive themselves to have a physical body of sorts. Some deceased individuals spending time on intermediate levels are said to reformulate their surroundings to produce familiar vistas and structures. Per AboveAlpha, advanced physics and mathematics yield evidence supporting the existence of multiverses (but not the many worlds theory), and quarks participate in a narrow range of their numbers blinking in and out of existence (going to another universe?). What is our local group of universes participating in? Who knows. The tail does not wag the dog. Pondering the future of our universe is tempting and captivating but folly, since the dark energy of empty space is dominant, and were not yet qualified to outguess God. It is said that each of us (who is not agnostic/atheistic) has a perception of the creator who created us, who was in turn created by another creator, and so on. However, it is difficult get a genuine perspective of what our First Cause is doing. One who has supposedly succeeded (besides Ezekiel, allegedly) is F. Louis Szot (see The Starmakers Apprentice, Ambassador Zot). Here is what I get thus far in my research of the mysteries: Our reality is a virtual reality, a construct of consciousness, with the physical laws and constraints governed by a digital process that assures a reality that is reasonably consistent and adheres to the principle of progressive evolution. Game on for the goals of soul development and entropy reduction. The early part of the Big Bang, creation from nothing, is speculative and counterintuitive. Maybe creation began with inflation, when the Big Cheese finished setting the program parameters and pressed the run key (the Programmer is invisible to the program). A virtual reality cannot compute itself into existence. Hence First Cause is hard to deny.
I'm not sure i agree with your summary of what 'christians & other religious groups' believe, or your definitions, but i'll give it a shot. 1. 'incorporeal matter' is a bit of an oxymoron.. Matter by definition is 'corporeal', & incorporeal implies spiritual or a metaphysical existence, which is not based on matter. 2. matter is a collection of nuclear particles... energy.. mysteriously occupying space & creating an illusion of substance.. at least to our physical senses. 3. Anti matter. IT is merely matter with it's charges reversed.. it is not a spiritual or metaphysical realm, but a universal, physical one. It is matter, even with the 'anti' title implying otherwise. 4. Speculations about our existence have been part of the human experience for all of our history. Here are some basic, popular opinions: a. Matter just is.. eternal existence, somehow, of all material things. b. A creator or greater intelligence made it all, somehow. d. There is some as yet unknown force or physical law that generates the particles in the makeup of matter. e. Some other speculation. NONE of these have any empirical evidence, but are all speculative. We just do not know how or why we are here. It all seems very impossible.. yet here we are.
