Insured 20 year old man stuck with $11,000 hospital bill

What you seem to fail to understand is that a lot of conservatives are trying to scuttle ACA. Bringing up law suits does not mean "winning law suits". You wish for failure but it will not happen. Thankfully for our country.

Does ACA need fixes? Certainly. So let's fix problems.

 

That the SCOTUS is calling them up when they do not have to does not mean that the ACA is settled law. If it were, the SCOTUS would not hear the cases.

 

What has SCOTUS called up?

 

1) Have I not made it clear that as it is none of your business what I pay or don't pay. It is none of my business what you pay or don't pay. Get the government completely out of health care.

2) I do not care if nine men and women in black robes declare a law constitutional when I can read the constitution and the debates and see that there is no basis for the law to be constitutional. It only means that the entire government, including the judges are lawless. If you must have someone else do your thinking for you that is okay with me. But do not expect to live as a free individual.

3) See number two. Grow a pair and begin to read, reason and think for yourself.

 

I have the right to live my life the way I want to. I have the right to be left alone. Those two statements cover essentially everything.

Your very next statement shows that either you fail to understand, have made an error, or are lying.

Therefore "you" meaning all who are not "me", are not paying for you. "You" want someone else to pay for you.

Get the government out of health care and a much wider variety of services will be available across a much wider number of price points. If you feel strongly about paying for someone else's health care, then you create an organization to raise money to disburse as you see fit.

I am sure you can prove unlawful activities at least enough so the local police investigate and the DA brings charges.

 

"You be responsible for you. I will be responsible for me. Your neighbor will be responsible for himself and his family. Even if you have paid your way you are demanding that some of your neighbors pay for other of your neighbors."

Yet another pant load...

If there is no basis for a law in the Constitution, then the law is unconstitutional. You do not get to be lawless and hide behind society. You are the enemy of all who love liberty and freedom. You have the heart of a tyrant. In my opinion you are a criminal.

 

"If the federal government was not unconstitutionally involved in health care it would not be plundering those of us who pay the taxes"

If you are able to read then read the Constitution and the Debates. I see no evidence that the federal government has the enumerated power that allows it to be involved in any individual's health care. If you are unable to read, then rely upon the people who are committing this coup to overthrow the nation.

 

It is an abomination. It along with Frank-Dodd will strangle the nation.

 

1. I am not surprised that you are secretive about your health insurance and how it is paid for. If you were, in fact, paying for it yourself, you would be proud to tell us about it. I think that you are being paid to keep this rant going.

2. If you do not submit to the pronouncements of those particular nine men and women in black robes, then you do not subscribe to our Constitution and must leave our country immediately or go to prison. Our Constitution provides that they interpret it, and that is non-negotiable. You have confessed to being treasonous.

3. The truth is that I don't really think you intend to act upon your treasonous pronouncements. And the First Amendment protects loud mouthed hired shills. It might help if you identified those who are paying you to do this, because most of us don't believe that you are really as dumb as your posts make you sound.

 

Insurance transfers risk for a fee.

Raping tax payers is not insurance. It is a crime.

 

Either way, what I do is my business not yours. And what you do is your business, not mine.

Such nonsense. I do not agree with tyrants merely because they wear black robes. You do. I get it. Be meek. Accept your chains. I am sure you will look great in them.

Treason? I am not surprise that you have it exactly wrong.

Treason. The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.​

I am here arguing to preserve the nation by supporting and defending its Constitution. Those of you who agree to the tyranny are the ones who are committing the treasonous acts. You are siding with the nation's enemies. We are seeing a coup and you are doing nothing about it.

Only someone who has never experienced liberty and freedom would speak as you do.

 

Geezus! 11 grand? He should have passed on the aspirin.

 

I can answer the first assertion of this post. In that case, then you must leave this country, because that is not the system that we have set up by our constitution, which limits the exercise of our rights to those actions that do not interfere with those of others. You know, kind of like the Social Contract?

The remainder of this post reveals that you suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder. You should see a doctor. Have you insurance?

 

Only if you are a hermit off the grid. If you interact with our society, you must follow society rules.

 

Yes, we have constitutional scholars and courts that decide that. Your opinion or my opinion does not make something unconstitutional.

 

You are aware that the CONSTITUTION declares that those nine men and women in black robes are the final authority on what the CONSTITUTION means, are you not?

Now, take off your big red plastic nose and go blow your noise maker at someone else. This has gotten really silly and you are boring me!

 

Your opinion means nothing in this discussion.

 

Cool. Coming from you this means, well, nothing.

 

Can you show me where in the Constitution you found this horrid doctrine? It should be very easy for you given the degree of your certitude.

Perhaps you lack the stomach for the long fight.

You should have just said you have never actually read the Constitution or the debates. I would have been as gentle with you as with any other person who really knows very little about liberty, freedom or Constitutions.

 

"I have the right to live my life the way I want to. I have the right to be left alone. Those two statements cover essentially everything."

Can you show me the Article in the Constitution that limits individuals? I have read the Constitution many times and may have just missed it.

Make a choice. Is it in the Constitution as you asserted above or is it in a mythical 'contract" that is unwritten and might mean anything you want it to mean?

Well, here is what I wrote, "Therefore "you" meaning all who are not "me", are not paying for you. "You" want someone else to pay for you.

Get the government out of health care and a much wider variety of services will be available across a much wider number of price points. If you feel strongly about paying for someone else's health care, then you create an organization to raise money to disburse as you see fit.

I am sure you can prove unlawful activities at least enough so the local police investigate and the DA brings charges."

What part do you believe reveals that I suffer from anything other than a tyrannical federal government?
Do you understand the difference between you and those who are not you?

 

"I have the right to live my life the way I want to. I have the right to be left alone."

It is clear to me that you have the heart of a tyrant. There is a reason that we have a Constitution. It is to limit what governments can do to individuals and to the states. This government is enormously evil and is getting more evil by the day. And you support it.

You remind me of a bureaucrat I spoke with yesterday. As I told her, "If you believe I have broken a law, then come arrest me and take me to court. But you had damned well better win! If not then stop trying to bully me. I will respond." She agreed to fix the "error". Had I made the error it would have been fines from the very first day. But since it is the federal government it will take fourteen business days, dontcha know. I said, "It only took you a day to completely screw it up. Why will it take you nearly three weeks to fix it?" The petty federal bureaucrat had no answer.

 

It's not a question of elimination. What you're seeing now and will pick up momentum in the future is physician groups offering their own 24/7 care for a set amount premium cutting both government and insurance out of the picture. It's a HUGE win/win for the consumer but not so much for the almighty government of insurance. I can see why you don't like the idea.

I'm not sure how ANYONE could actually find fault with this idea......

 

I do not believe that is a trend. Concierge doctors need rich clients. There are only so many rich people. I also think that there may be a conflict with ACA if they go off the grid.

Setting up their own premiums is no different than designer plans and those are not allow in a year.

 

http://www.patientphysiciancoop.com/

http://www.capphysicians.com/

http://www.ppcpdxcoop.org/

Should I go on or do you simply want to google "PPC"s, do some research on the topic and get back to me?

 

And in another thread, you proclaim that the accusation of liberal collectivism is a republican created lie.

Then in this thread, you defend and demand people participate in collectivism.

Which one is it bomac?