Interesting column on anti-abortion laws and where they have "success"

You mean like slavery. The institution of slavery was very orderly, you know.

 

And by this, pro-choicers mean they'd like to see the government handing out free Plan B pills without a prescription.

 

Use the brain God gave you.

All they need to do is separate the money, but the logic still fails.

If I know you do something I personally find immoral, even if it's not illegal, say you produce porn. Legal, like abortion, and equally disgusting.

I decide to invest in your business, say give you $100 but make you use it for something other than producing porn, so you say, "okay" and you use it to buy a close-out inventory of tampons, which you will then resell for a profit by dumping them to a Big Lots store. The money for the tampons would have originally come from another source and would have required you spending less on porn development, so in a back-handed way, I just supported your porn production.

You can pretend that is not the case, but why fool yourself? If you cannot admit to reality, perhaps it is because to do so is too uncomfortable, or it is simply worth perpetuating a lie if you believe you have the right cause.

 

Just because, in your mind, it could happen, that is not proof that it has. Planned Parenthood is required to submit a yearly report showing exactly where every penny goes. It is audited regularly, and is currently under House investigation, as well as in the past. PP is under intense scrutiny; it would be political suicide to attempt to divert funds. Yes, money is fungible, but there are accounting methods to address that.

 

Actually, it was not. Slaves were escaping regularly via the underground railroad and simply running away, requiring law enforcement to attempt to return the property to the owner. There were violent occasions resulting in deaths of owners as well as slaves. Rebellions. It was not orderly at all.

Some people say that establishing justice is the second purpose of government, but since injustice always eventually, not always immediately, results in disorder and chaos in society, I cling to the earlier definition.

 

Nonsense.

If your child is an alcoholic and spend all their rent money on whiskey, and then you pay their rent, you have paid for their whiskey.

Stop pretending, it's contemptible.

 

Isn't abortion, in many ways, a slippery slope that will gradually lead to loss of respect for human life, and ultimately disorder in society?

 

Why haven't regular audits and ongoing investigations exposed wrongdoing?

 

Because it's a shell game of semantics with a hot button political issue.

You know this. You understand the explanation I gave you. Just because everyone plays the game does not mean it's an honest game. If you are fine knowing it's a lie and a sham, just admit it. If you aren't fine with it then you shouldn't stand for it, no matter where you stand on the issue of abortion. If we have no integrity, we have nothing.

 

Do you really think Planned Parenthood has women's best interests in mind?
At this point, it's not even really so much about what's best for the patient anymore, Planned Parenthood is promoting abortion every way it can.

 

Why would I know "it's a lie and a sham" with zero proof? You believe it's a lie and a sham even without proof, because it's what you want to believe. That's integrity?

 

I gave you all the proof you need and the forum rules now silence what I would like to say directly to you for being a dishonest debater. So I'll just say, adios.

Just once I'd like to find some integrity in political discourse.

 

You gave ZERO proof that Planned Parenthood has committed any wrongdoing. Your dishonesty is right here for everyone to see. How dare you preach about integrity in political discourse.

 

No, it isn't. Abortion rights foster respect for women, anti-abortion laws foster disrespect for women. If you respect women, you must allow them the dignity of controlling their own bodies and lives. If you disrespect women, and control is your goal, your disrespect will spread to children and ultimately all human life.

Anyway, we don't make laws on the basis of what might happen, we make them based on studies of what is most likely to happen.

 

I respect women, but I don't respect women that kill their own children.

I'm not a woman worshiper.

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Planned Parenthood doesn't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about "helping" women. They're just in it for the money. Second of all, they just exploit women with their so-called "counseling". They try to pressure women into having an abortion. Their counseling is just very biased.

 

How do you know? I mean, I know you assume as much, but how do you know?

 

Evidence. They use birth control pills to sell more abortions.

 

They use.....birth control....to sell more abortions?

Go ahead and repeat that back to yourself. See if that makes any sense.

That is truly idiotic. That's like saying hospitals sell cheeseburgers in the cafeteria so that people will have heart attacks and become patients there. But even that analogy does not quite capture the crazy that was your statement, because birth control prevents the need for an abortion in the first place.

 

You're not a woman worshiper, and I don't think you're a woman respecter either.

PP is non-profit. They do not pressure women into aborting, why would they offer contraceptives and sex ed and then push abortion? What do you know about their counseling? It's obvious you're falling prey to the propaganda of pro-life sites.

 

Yet you are not sick by the lack of integrity not to mention evidence? Just how much hypocrisy can you stand?

 

Define a "woman respecter". I don't hate women. I don't believe that they're inferior to men. And second of all, yes, I don't respect women that don't respect their own children.

 

Sometimes women choose abortion out of concern for the children they already have. A "woman respecter" trusts women to make the best decision for their lives, and knows that he cannot truly understand her circumstances, therefore he will remain nonjudgmental.

 

Yes, but some women are just way too emotional to make a logical decision about abortions, first of all.

Second of all, this doesn't really matter. Since I strongly believe that abortions are murder, there's no reason why anybody-woman or man, should make a decision regarding an abortion. It doesn't really matter if a man or a woman makes a decision revolving abortions; since it's all murder, it's automatically all bad, in my eyes.

 

Stereotyping. Women are not too emotional to make decisions about their own bodies. EVER.

"You believe" and "in your eyes" mean nothing to the thousands of women choosing abortion. If "you believe" abortions are bad, don't have one, then you can sit around and call all those women "bad" just as you called them "sluts." Your judgment doesn't concern us.

 

Ohh, but women are known to be more emotional, even science proves this.

You don't have to agree with my opinions about the morality of abortions, but please, just know where I'm coming from. I want to make abortions illegal because I believe that abortions is murder. Even if males carried the children, I would still be pro-life. My pro-life stance has absolutely nothing to do with controlling women, AT ALL. Disagree with me all you want, but please, just don't accuse me of wanting to control women, etc.