Is executive privilege a valid exemption in the First Amendment

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    Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the government."

    Our founding fathers knew the dangers presented by a clandestine government having the power to stifle a populace in order to maintain complete control. The First Amendment was meant to protect citizens from potential abuse by an overbearing government; excluding ANY government entities from adhering to its guidelines would completely defeat its purpose.

    There is NO WAY that the Senate will vote to impeach Trump, but they want to appease Trump and to ensure their own party's continuing dominance by hiding further incriminating evidence from the American people. . . .But Trump is pulling their strings and they will someday regret their acquiescent subservience.

    According to Newsweek, Trump boasted to a crowd in Ohio that he " destroyed the careers" of Republicans who oppose him.
     
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    Only if you want a Kingdom and not a democracy!!!
     
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    Is executive privilege a valid exemption in the First Amendment?

    Up to the courts to decide on a case by case basis.
     
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    Senators are deciding what is admissible, not the courts. In effect, they are censuring relevant evidence.
     
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    Actually it is a protection of it
     
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    I think he has destroyed the careers of Republicans who support him. Many of which are likely to end up doing jail time. Or at least they should.
     
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    The Senate is in charge and decides what evidence is relevant.
     
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    Obama invoked executive privilege. Was his administration a "kingdom"?
     
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    . . .And relevance is arbitrarily decided by the partisan majority to benefit its own agenda? Sounds like a rigged jury.
     
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    Executive privilege should not entail violating constitutional responsibilities or obstructing justice.
     
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    The impeachment process is a political process not a judicial process.
     
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    Is executive privilege a valid exemption in the First Amendment

    Executive privilege has nothing to do with the first amendment.
     
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    A strong second to fmw:
    Is executive privilege a valid exemption in the First Amendment

    "Executive privilege has nothing to do with the first amendment." It is strictly tied to the separation of powers, the fundamental foundation of the Constitution.
     
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    Impeachment is a political process. The votes of Senators to convict or acquit are not reviewable by the Supreme Court. They can impeach based on a preference for DC over Marvel if they want.

    Moreover, the impeachment gambit is not working for Dems. There is no majority public support for it. There is no majority independent support either, they oppose by a 2 point swing.

    As far as I can tell this is entirely along party lines, in the public as well as Congress. That's fine - their House majority gives Dems the constitutional right and ability to impeach - but it also gives GOPpers the right and ability to acquit.
     
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    What's this have to do with executive privilege?
     
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    The constitution gives the senate plenary power to make its own rules.
    This includes to process for admitting evidence in an impeachment trial.
     
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    Impeachment is a political process.
     
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    The legal exercise of executive privilege cannot be obstruction of justice - or Congress.
     
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    Exactly as the house did earlier.
     
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    "In considering enforcement of the subpoena in United States v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court recognized a constitutionally-based privilege protecting the confidentiality of conversations between the president and his close advisors. The Court held that, notwithstanding the Constitution’s silence on the issue, executive privilege had constitutional underpinnings and derived from the nature of the president’s constitutional powers and obligations, presumably the vesting of the executive power in the president and the president’s authority and responsibility to ensure that the law is executed faithfully."

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/primer-...utive-branch-approach-congressional-oversight
     
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    When can he "take out" Pierre Delecto?
     
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    Executive Privilege is a myth. There is no such power granted in Article II of the Constitution or anywhere else. It’s a made up power used by the Executive as an excuse to circumvent (violate) the Constitution.
     
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    It may be kind of like abortion, no mention anywhere, but when SCOTUS says it's in there it's in there whether it's in there or not.
     
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    In other words, politics has nothing to do with truth and justice??? In this case, I would say that impeachment is a PARTISAN process.
     
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    The courts have disagreed. You lose.
     

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