Is revolting against our government a viable option now?

1. This is NOT a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic, with representatives elected to a strong central government..

2. The Confederacy has been dead as a doornail for about 150 years now.

3. I am all for maximum states rights, but the founding fathers wisely and deliberately set up a strong central government to replace the very weak one established by the Articles of Confederation. Two choices: Love it or leave it. I have lived in at least a dozen states. But I truly like being an American.

Hate to be repetitious, but you don't seem to get the plan of the founders of our nation, or the history of the strong central government established by our Constitution. I realize they don't teach this stuff in school anymore.

 

there ain't one representative that has my concerns in care. I would rather see a system where elected representatives were paid by popularity and really hard work.
If we don't like the way government is doing its job, it don't get paid. the higher the approval rating, the more the citizens will support them. Kinda like your job. You do a good job, there's promotions, raises, and maybe other perks. You don't do a good job, you're out of work. Why should it be any difference between us and them?

 

Politicians get unelected if they do a poor job.

They can also be impeached or recalled if they do a REALLY poor job.

Its not society's fault if most folks don't agree with YOU about the performance of your politicians.

 

Congress is doing an abysmal job 13% at the start of 2014. Not much better today. http://www.gallup.com/poll/166838/congress-job-approval-starts-2014.aspx
Obama's approval/ disapproval rating start of 2014 43.3% rating in the hole................. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...obama_congress_at_near_record_low_122430.html
Nope, pretty sure there's definitely a lack of faith in rogue government
I've asked this question before and never have gotten an answer: Where do you draw the line in the sand against government?

 

1. That is correct, but I was using the term democracy as most people don't understand the difference. What is incorrect is the "strong" in central government.

2. The fact we are debating the principles of the Confederacy 150 years later means it is alive. Perhaps not in the flesh, but in spirit, and history teaches us movement between the two can happen rapidly.

3. Yes, the Articles of Confederation were not drafted as well as the Constitution. But that does not mean the original pre-Civil War Constitution established a strong central government. In fact, quite the opposite. The Founders tried their hardest to limit federal power fearing a British-style monarchy reappearing. Sadly, what they feared has now come to fruition as a result of the 14th and 16th Amendments.

 

we are nowhere near the point where violent revolution is needed.

 

Violent revolution is never desired or needed. In fact, if it was, don't you think the people in charge would have anyone suggesting it quickly eliminated? Probably by drone in the middle of the night?

A peaceful and calm political transition to state rule is what we need.

 

no, we don't need that.

as per the Constitution, Federal law is supreme over state law.

we are Americans.

 

I don't think anyone purposefully draws a line in the sand. Maybe someday there will just be a trigger that no one expected and no one can stop.
I think the Bundy ranch came close, others laugh at that idea. The left is probably correct Bundy isn't some saint to rally behind but where triggers are concerned you seldom get to choose.
I still think if the Feds had started shooting in Nevada all hell would have broken loose across this country. If martial law were imposed things would turn from bad to ugly.
They know that better than they would like to admit. That's why they've shut up and went home.

 

Obama will be gone in 2017.

no need for revolt to get rid of him.

 

The US government can only make laws within the limits of its constitutional power. Outside of that, state law is supreme.

And yes, you are correct we are Americans, just as you would say Europeans. But also Californians, Texans, or New Yorkers. Just like Europeans are Germans, Italians, or Czechs. Sovereign in rule, but common in goal.

 

um....no.

Italy, Germany, The Czech Republic are sovereign nations and members of the United Nations.

Texas, New York, and California are mere semi-autonomous districts of one nation.

 

You have some of the most bizarre ideas I have ever encountered. Maybe we should exhume Jefferson Davis, Bobby Lee and Traveler so they can fail miserably again. We'll let you lead the charge into death's maw this time instead of George Pickett.

Please read "The Killer angels, by Michael Shaara."
Then go back to school and study the miserable morally bankrupt society and economy that was the Confederacy -- anchored as it was to slavery and human degradation.

 

That is totally incorrect. We have a system of parallel sovereignty. For instance, you are a citizen of your state AND the United States. The 14th Amendment, for all the damage it has done to states' rights, actually reconfirms it in one line: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

See the AND?

Need more explanation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_divisions_of_the_United_States

A state is NOT a district.

 

Perhaps you don't get out much to see what others think. Perhaps the thin Denver air is getting to you. Perhaps you're just very susceptible to propaganda. That is fine. So go ahead, yell, shout, and stomp your feet at me as Washington smiles at your blind obedience. I feel sorry for you and hope maybe someday you'll understand why.

 

The States of the USA are subject to Federal law.

I have a US Passport, not a NY Passport.

 

Again, states are ONLY subject to US law where the constitution permits.

Do you have a US driver's license or a US national ID card? No. Why not? Parallel sovereignty as the US government has no authority to issue one.

Do most Americans have a passport? No, only 20%. The vast majority of Americans use a STATE ID and the majority of states require you to carry one at all times.

 

Californian, Ronstar is totally correct. You are a citizen of the Untied States of America -- NOT of whatever state you happen to live in at the time. You can be a resident of a state not a citizen. You are a citizen of your country. There is no citizenship of a state. I have lived in several states, was a resident of each -- but a citizen only of the U.S. I have U.S. citizenship and a U.S. passport and served in the U.S. Army.
Where do you come up with this stuff?? Really?

 

I get out plenty. Don't patronize me. I'm proud to be an American. I don't know what you call yourself and I don't care.

 

Where do I come up with this stuff? The Constitution. You pretend to have defended it, but like the vast majority of Americans, have never even bothered to read it. Let's try this one more time:

14th Amendment, Section 1, Paragraph 1: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

There is no ambiguity there. Parallel sovereignty.

I thought my user name would have given that one away. I'm a very loyal Californian. It is my home, my culture, and my family.

You, with no roots, may not care about such things. But I deeply do and am sure the Founders would have identified strongly with my sentiment and found your lack of it to be disturbing.

 

I lived in California from 1994 to 2000. Best climate in the country if not the world! But what do you get out of your California "citizenship," other that a crock from Governor Moonbeam and increased socialism from the Democratic dominated legislature? Why would you assume that I have "no roots?" What arrogance!!

 

different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings

Patrick Henry "Give me liberty or give me death"

 

There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come

 

there won't be any revolution anytime soon, cause the people who yell and scream about it have no intention of actually staging one.

 

Jerry Brown was Governor of California from 1994 to 2000?!?!?!?