Is there a possibility that there is no God?

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  1. Johntherepublican

    Johntherepublican Member

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    Today a friend of mine put me on to a book written by Richard Dawkins,
    and after reading it. I got to thinking He had many good points I have never thought of before. Now I find myself rethinking my faith.
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    God exist, do not believe books written by devil!
     
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    Veda Says Unimaginable God Exists
    The God is unimaginable, but His existence is experienced so we should say that the unimaginable God exists (Asteetyeva…Veda). Therefore, God also is called as ‘Sat’, which means that exists. God gives the experience of His existence through human incarnation to human beings. Since God can be called as ‘sat’, you can say that God alone existed in the beginning before the creation while explaining (Sadeva Somya…Veda). God created the energy (Tat Tejo…Veda) and the energy can also be called as ‘Sat’, which means that Energy exists even if all forms of energy disappear. It is “Sat” with reference to its forms (matter and awareness). But it is non-existent with respect to God and so it is also ‘Asat’. Therefore, the Veda says ‘Sat existed in the beginning’ and also says ‘Asat existed in the beginning’. The first statement applies to God also since God is the absolute Sat. According to the context, you have to take the corresponding meaning for any word. Without analysis, confusion results finally.
     
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    THinking and rethinking /re-examining one's beliefs is essential.


    A God or many god's existince is of course possible. Nevertheless , its only a belief .

    When you believe in a god you're also likely to fill your head with all sorts of demons.

    IN a nutshell - We're born - we live -,we die . While alive , we are constantly seeking answers , to life. THe Gods' ony exist in our consciousness - DEATH IS THE ONLY CERTAINTY + when we die , ,everything is totally irrelevent.

    FINAL ANSWER TO ALL LIFE'S QUESTIONS -

    END OF STORY.
     
  5. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    First thing you have to do is figure out how you determine what's true and false, if that is what you base your faith on (it doesn't need to be cold hard logic, but basing beliefs on outright falsehoods is something I think we all should avoid).

    Is it because someone says so with a commanding voice or through defamation through slander (as shown by Ostap)? Or is it because it says so in a particular book (as argued by dattaswami)?

    I am not the smartest person on the earth, I couldn't possibly come up with every imaginable counterargument or comment to every argument. Therefore, I allow the internet to comment on any questions I have. You can post them here and I'm sure a post or two will have valid points in them, or if you don't feel like posting them, you can often google them and find what others have already said.

    The only dangerous thing is that you can't really stop without going to the end of that argument. Many times have I heard discussions cut short at an unfortunate time so that the last argument is clearly faulty. A valid point should stand against any and all scrutiny, and the internet contains all the possible counterarguments.

    Obviously, there are compilations of such counterarguments, but they tend to have an atheist bias and I wouldn't recommend someone who's not well versed in the atheist mindset to start there. If you want an intellectually honest reasoning, you can't listen to just one side and while I personally think that those sites do indeed provide an accurate representation of the theist side, I wouldn't assume so if I was a theist and had never considered the questions before.

    That's also why I think you shouldn't take Dawkin's word for it. Points don't become valid because they exist, they become valid only when they stand up to all scrutiny. Thus, you should run the arguments by a few Christians (assuming that you are a Christian) before you hop on the band wagon.
     
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    Yes, but only in terms of the idea of an ever-present god. To put it in simple form, how did religion form? Was it a spontaneous occurrence, or man-made? If you answered with the latter, I would suggest that there is no such thing as an ever-present god. God is a label assigned to a naturally occurring phenomenon or phenomena by a natural being.
     
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    No, there is no such possibility, and only a fool would give it a moment's thought.
     
  8. stig42

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    its possibly possible there is no god i don’t know

    if you know god must exist you don’t have faith you have knowledge big if
     
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    Richard Dawkins is a self-obsessed, arrogant piece of (*)(*)(*)(*). There are far better choices in terms of authors to read if you really want to question and ponder your own faith, in my opinion. In all seriousness, I think it's good to question, ponder and even challenge your faith, but I wouldn't rely on the words of Richard Dawkins to do it. The man is a hypocrite and a buffoon. He's not really even an atheist, he's an anti-theist. There are people of faith who are nice and don't bother others without it and there are people without faith who are nice and don't bother others with it. Likewise, there are people in both categories who feel the need to constantly be reminding the world that their opinion--which can never be scientifically validated beyond all reasonable doubt in any case--is supreme and correct and the other view is just nonsense. Dawkins is the latter. He's just an arrogant dick who is full of himself and a lot of hot air.

    Richard Dawkins is constantly holding and attending rallies where he actually encourages the trashing of religions. Atheists should be treated with respect and believers should be treated with respect. Most atheists would want atheism and atheists treated with respect, so it would be hypocritical for them to make statements such as "I don't despise religious people. I despise what they stand for" as well as atheists must "ridicule and show contempt" for the doctrines and sacraments of religious people. Those are quotes from Dawkins which show that he is not just an atheist, he is an anti-theist. You can be an atheist without being in a position in which you must "ridicule and show contempt" for doctrine and sacrament of religious people.

    And to respond to the actual question, anything is possible. Of course it's possible there is no God, just like it's possible that there is. I choose to put my faith in a God. But your choices might ultimately end up being different and they should be respected.
     
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    Questioning is always good.

    Obviously lack of existence of a God can not be proven.

    I think a different question might be "Does the Bible give an accurate depiction of God" or Does this depiction make sense ?
     
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    how does one know the bible was not written by the devil?

    one can believe in god, without believing in books that claim to be the words of a god
     
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    You can't officially prove it nor disprove it.

    If you think 'how could the universe have started without something divine' then you'd have to ask well then how did god come about...

    So if its possible for God to have always existed then its possible for the universe to have always existed, since 'god' is presumably more complex than the universe (if he came before the big universe)
     
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    I think there is good evidence to suggest that the devils hand has indeed touched the Bible.

    This does not mean that certain passages in the Bible are not "inspired" .. but that the hand of man has altered the Bible to conform with man-made doctrine of the day.
     
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    God only exists in your imagination.
     
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    But a rich one. :xd:
     
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    i dont know him myself
     
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    John the Republican---I've always been a little wary about your posts. Something not quite legit.

    Perhaps because I doubt you had the true faith ...I don't know. Just a feeling.

    If you are truely having faith issues...then I would take your concerns to God. God can answer those issues---where a forum can't.
     
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    Sure he can, sure he can..............<whispers>"nurse, quick, we've got another one here" :psychoitc:
     
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    Well? What are his points?
     
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    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
    &#8213; Christopher Hitchens
     

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    Stop God does not speak to you.

    This is your imagination.

    If you do not believe me I can easily prove this to you.
     
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    Be tolerant...please....of other people's beliefs. Be happy if you wish and talk to no one
     
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    God is man made. Long ago people bowed down to trees,stones etc,they then moved on to statues and temples and there were many Gods. With the rise of Christianity those many Gods were incorporated into the Church of Rome and various saints because the people at the time could not be convinced to leave their Gods and bow down to just one. The Egyptian priests were in it for what they could get,money etc and that went down the line to the Roman Catholic church which reigned supreme for so long.If people want to believe in a fiction then they have every right to do that but please do not come preaching. There is no evidence for a God or Gods.
     
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    I am very tolerant of other peoples beliefs just as long as they do not try to force them on others.

    I would be extremely happy if I could find someone who could talk to God and have God answer back.

    Imagine the wonderous things we could learn.

    The problem is not that I am not tolerant. The problem is that I simply do not believe the people who make these claims but can not back them up.

    I have many many people throughout my life who claim that God/Holy Spirit talks to them.

    "Just ask God and God will answer" is something we often here.

    I have asked each of these people to ask God a few simple questions and get back to me with the answers.

    None of these people have been able to do this. .. Why ?, because they really can not get answers from God.
     
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    Is possible...

    ... but not probable.
     

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