Is there a Right to own a gun; Ethics of Gun Ownership

No, specifically, what work do you do that gives you money to pay your housing and food costs? Is it part of the capitalist scheme, or do you live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune?

Me, I'm a capitalist.

 

So you don't work at all then? The rest of us do, and don't like fat sweaty hands in our pockets or footling nonsense taking up hours and hours of our only lives.

 

What makes you think that those involved in capitalism don't work? I've averaged about 50 hours a week for the last 15 years.

 

Are you describing Capitalists? Yes, that's what I thought.

 

<sigh>. Okay, so be it. Thanks anyway.

That's not a term I've seen in any legitimate usage.

 

I find it hilarious that you think anyone convinces anyone of anything on here. LOL

 

To be fair, saying "they are beliefs not facts" was NOT what you said. You stated emphatically that there was no such thing as unalienable rights. Period. Not that it was your belief (which is obviously is) but that such is simply how it is. Clearly, such is your belief and obviously I believe differently, and we can certainly have an existential discussion regarding the source of rights for our own edification; but from a legal and Constitutional standpoint unalienable rights do exist, and any discussion of proposed legislation and its possible enactment must come from accepting that a proposed law must pass Constitutional muster before it can be seriously considered.

 

You're not honest. You clearly want no part of any kind of legitimate discussion; you're here to troll, insult, and disparage others because it clearly gives you your jollies. Sorry; not interested.

 

If you've got something to say about me you can say it to me.

And I have no issues with my conscience. I've worked very hard to live a life of honesty and integrity and see no reason to change that now.

 

Ah, yes. The self-righteous chest thumping of the Marxist/socialist/communist. Well, the theories of you and people like you have been tried (and failed) many times over the last century; achieving nothing but the mass enslavement of entire cultures under the thumb of oligarchs who spouted the same rubbish until they were the ones in power.

 

Perhaps I should clarify. Natural rights do exist as a belief and a concept. But there is no list of them and everyone is free to determine for themselves what is or isn't a natural right.

 

Not from a guilty conscience, to be sure.

 

I think you might have an issue with anger when someone disagrees and debates their own opinion.

 

Has the esteemed Mr Lud actually engaged in any debate?

 

Well, I tried to give you an opportunity for fair and honest discourse, and you clearly aren't interested. I would suggest respectfully that you weigh for yourself why it is you are unable to express your opinions on this subject without resorting to insults and denigration.

In the interim, I wish you the best and hope that someday we might actually have an honest discussion of the issue without rancor.

 

Not at all. If someone simply disagrees and can state their viewpoint respectfully and logically I will always respond in kind.

When someone starts their discussion by impugning my integrity, my intelligence, or my basic humanity I tend to react badly, and find it hard to respond in a respectful way.

 

I did give you an opportunity to prove that I was wrong about the direction you were taking. You paid no heed. No, you jumped right in with both feet and did exactly what I said you would do.

Of course, you didn't respect that. Not one bit. Suit yourself.

 

Absolutely to be sure! No guilt here.

 

My my. You do like to project.

 

Always with the negative waves, Moriarty.

 

Oh...I assure you, you have convinced me of a few things; probably a few others as well.

 

I simply stated my position, respectfully, in hopes it might inspire deeper conversation. I then asked a question about your own stated position and asked for clarification. You were not interested in providing nor discussing that. I'm sorry we were unable to find a way to communicate or exchange ideas. It might have been interesting.

I apologize if you feel I didn't "respect that". I tried to. All I did was ask why you felt the way you did and to try and understand where you were coming from on it. If you feel that wasn't respectful, I am genuinely sorry.

 

Demonstrate such to actually be the case. Demonstrate that recreational murder does not exist in locations where firearms are restricted to greater levels than that of the united states.

 

Then pray tell what is the justifying purpose of the presence of yourself on this forum, if the loss of hours of the life of yourself is being objected to? Cease the disagreement with others that have no care for the position of yourself, and instead invest the time in a more meaningful use.

 

You mean like Somali?