Is this TRUE?-only 1 out of 32 people are homosexuals yet 1 in 3 pedophiles are homo-

Hi... welcome to remedial math.

75% heterosexual child rape means 25% homosexual, reported, cases.

Homosexuals encompass approximately 3% of US statistics.


If 3% of anything perpetuated 1/4 of a specific crime, do you feel it should be investigated? If 3% of bankers committed 1/4 of the banking crime, regardless of that affiliation... do you think the US should look into it?

No... of course not. That would be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing ridiculous... looking into a tiny segment of society who commit a drastically disproportionate amount of crimes.


Don't be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. We are all assumed innocent of liberal crimes unless waged by republicans. ANY anomoly is dismissed unless perpetrated by the right.

 

You Sec- are the only one I have seen who has ever started a thread about a man attacking a girl. Sadly that is true.

I applaud you for that.

For everyone else-

I have come to the conclusion that these posters either just don't care about girls who are child sex abuse victims......or they just want to attack homosexuals by these posts.

75% of all child sex abuse victims are girls.

And all of those threads blaming homosexuals for pedophilia.

Do they just dislike little girls or just feel obsessed with attacking homosexuals?

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I have come to the conclusion that these posters either just don't care about girls who are child sex abuse victims......or they just want to attack homosexuals by these posts.

75% of all child sex abuse victims are girls.

And all of those threads blaming homosexuals for pedophilia.

Do they just dislike little girls or just feel obsessed with attacking homosexuals?

 

75% of all gang related deaths are men. Why do you hate men?

^----- this is a stupid (*)(*)(*)(*)ing argument. I hope it is engaged.

 

Exactly.

Yet homosexuals are only 1-2% of the population so gays must be doing more than their share of the rapes.

That means statistically homosexuals are far more likely to rape a child and than a straight person is.

 

I see some people are still having honesty issues about the facts on gay pedophilia.

Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age range and/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophilesby whether they are attracted to only male children (homo-sexual pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedo-philia), or children from both sexes (bisexual pedo-philia). 3,6,10,29 The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%-4%).5,7,10,19,29,30 This finding does not imply that ho-mosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children.19 Individuals attracted to females usually prefer children between the ages of 8 and 10 years.




And in another thread someone here conveniently left this part out when responding:

Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts.


http://www.abusewatch.net/pedophiles.pdf

Homosexual pedophiles by their own admission on average assault more than double the amount of children than heterosexual pedophiles. The lie is claiming that premise is false when the homosexual pedophiles admit to it.

The homosexual religious fanatics and their supporters can't even admit the truth when the homosexual pedophiles admit to it. Its sad but painfully predictable.

 

I have come to the conclusion that these posters either just don't care about girls who are child sex abuse victims......or they just want to attack homosexuals by these posts.

75% of all child sex abuse victims are girls.

And all of those threads blaming homosexuals for pedophilia.

Do they just dislike little girls or just feel obsessed with attacking homosexuals?

 

Why do you always cite a paper that refutes exactly what you claim.

Once again- according to Dr. Hall and Dr. Hall- who you quote:

B]This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children,[/B]

 

LOL That's an opinion, not a fact. The facts are homosexual pedophiles abuse more than twice the amount of children.

See Jeff you like to deal in opinion when I'm dealing in raw factual numbers. 5.2 vs 10.7 on average.

But please, go ahead and explain how homosexual pedophiles can abuse more than double the children than heterosexual pedophiles yet somehow in magic land aren't more likely to abuse children than heterosexual pedophiles.

I can't wait to hear this BS.

 

Jeff, I pretty much grabbed your post for the hell of it, but think that I might get some discussion from you on this.

It appears that the average gay man is more likely to molest little boys than the average straight man is to molest little girls. Let us assume its by a factor of 3.

OK. My question to all is "So what" ? Is pedophilia not horrific regardless ? And do not many think that it is actually a brain disorder, possibly with a genetic predisposition ? It has very high recidivism rates, does it not ? I know that homosexuality is largely due to a different wiring of the brain as compared with non-homosexuals. Not all believe that, but let us make a second assumption: that it primarily is.

OK. I am not looking for mercy for pedophiles. Hardly. What I am putting forth is the hypothesis that where a rewiring of the brain for sexuality already exists, as with homosexuality, you will also find a higher occurrence of pedophilia. Perhaps nothing to be defensive about. Just have to deal with it.

 

That doesn't seem very likely, but even if it was true, it might be a matter of the closeted factor.

It's hard to estimate what percentage of the population is gay or bi, because it's not something that people are often open about. Until it reaches the point that it's socially acceptable to be openly gay without any significant repercussions, the assumed percentage is a shot in the dark.

This means that relating the percentage of pedos who happen to be gay or bi to the gay or bi population overall is rather difficult to do with any degree of accuracy.

 

Lets back up.

You cite a paper on Pedophilia by Dr. Hall and Dr. Hall.

If you do not consider that paper authoritative- why do you quote it?

In the very paragraph you cite it contradicts what you claim

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children,

This is not an opinion- this is part of Dr. Hall's over all analysis.

"The facts are homosexual pedophiles abuse more than twice the amount of children."

And that is of course absolutely false.

According to the chart provided by Dr. Hall- girls are abused at a far higher percentage

http://www.abusewatch.net/pedophiles.pdf


Abused female child
69% (less than 6 years old)
75% (6-11 years old)
91% (12-17 years old)

Have you even actually read the article you quote?

"Profile of Pedophilia" is a serious paper about a serious problem that is being cherry picked by those with a anti-homosexual- or maybe anti-girl- agenda.

It deserves more consideration than misrepresenting what the paper says.

 

I am glad to have a serious discussion with you.

Why does it appear like that to you? What makes you come to that conclusion?

I encourage you to read the very serious discussion by Dr.'s Hall on Pedophilia

http://www.abusewatch.net/pedophiles.pdf

Read carefully how they characterize Pedophiles- in particular how they distinguish between adult's sexual preference and a pedophiles preference in a child's gender.

Anyway- read the article and we can talk more.

Here is my thought on the matter- I think certainly somehow sexual attraction works differently in heterosexuals and homosexuals. But if you want theories on why and how Pedophilia works- read Dr.'s Hall article and we can discuss- maybe tomorrow- I am about ready to go out tonight.

Let us for a moment assume this is true- I don't think it is- but lets assume it is true.

Why are we even talking about homosexuals- or more to the point- why are the vast majority of posts discussing pedophilia talking about homosexuals- when the vast majority of victims are girls, molested by men?

This is my challenge in all of these threads. Why the almost exclusive focus on the minority of child sex abuse attackers and victims?

I happen to respect your intellectual honest- what do you think the reason is?

Let me put it another way- I think that whatever mental defect it is that not only attracts pedophiles to children, but reduces their self control so that they act on those impulses is present in all men who molest children.

By focusing only on homosexuals- and men who molest boys- you not only ignore the largest segment of victims and predators- you will not be looking for a Jerry Sandusky- an openly heterosexual man who preyed on little boys.

 

You almost get it here.

What you do have right is correctly characterizing 'homosexual pedophiles' and 'heterosexual pedophiles' as opposed to homosexuals and heterosexuals.

Jerry Sandusky was a heterosexual(in regards to adults) and a pedophile who was attracted to boys- i.e. Jerry Sandusky was a heterosexual and a homosexual pedophile.

 

I don't see any link in the OP so I can't even imagine where you got your info ..

 

I'll have to read the article to get to the earlier part of your post.

With the focus on homosexuals, unfortunately the OP did not have a link, much less a credible link, and although I had heard of a study that showed these results, it is just gay-bashing IMMHO. With good documentation, it could be a more serious look into these things, at least for us here.

I agree completely that even if it is 3:1, that the majority of victims out there are still little girls falling prey to sick men, mostly hetero's. I also believe those folks have some pre-determined issues as well. Just as gay men who prey on little boys do. In my opinion, most pedophiles, such as Sandusky, are likely mis-wired. Regardless, all are a menace to society.

I do not see using this to bash gays as being very constructive. I think it foments ignorance. I would hope for a legitimate discussion that looks at good data and informed opinions.

 

Which is a direct contradiction to the numbers provided. You still are running for explaining how that statement makes sense given the numbers.

Which is a complete lie and I gave you the stats which you keep running away from and ducking the question posed to you. Sad but predictable.

Then explain what I quoted. You want to focus only on girls. I'm focusing on ALL children gay vs straight pedophilia but you lack the courage to address those numbers directly because you can't admit the truth.

 

Which was never an issue before. You were the one lying claiming in threads that there was no such thing as a homosexaul pedophile as was your collegues on the left.

So one man speaks for all pedophiles? Seriously that's the best you've got? You can't run from the numbers Jeff. Homosexual pedophiles abuse more than double the amount of children on average than heterosexual pedophiles. Deal with the reality Jeff.

 

Hey, it is a long and detailed article. But I am cherry picking some stuff as I come across it. Note that the report cites many studies, and acknowledges some contradictory data, so much of this may not be broadly supported:

^^^ It would seem that homosexual pedophiles have a higher frequency of encounters.

Pages 462-463 definitely goes to physiological differences noted in the brains of pedophiles. There's a lot there.

But then there is also this on page 463:

Then there are many studies that indicate that people who were victims of pedophilia as children are also more likely to become pedophiles themselves. Too much to quote.

Point being, there are indications that many non-voluntary factors can increase a predisposition to be a pedophile. I am not excusing it. I have no problem that they are treated as "sick bastards", to include whatever it takes to keep them from harming kids again. But I do not like seeing it used as a political weapon to bash folks.

 

Easy solution
1st offence in rape or phedophilia (hetero or homo) - Perp chooses chemical castration or death penality
2nd offence - automatic death penalty

*Assault must be independently verified to weed out false statements (yes kids and adults lie)

 

You can't educate these people. They like the anti-Jewish hate crowd can't be swayed by reality....keep trying....but don't hold your breath.

 

If you are so highly educated as you claim (standard practice claim by the uneducated liberals) then explain this quote from the study:


Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts.


http://www.abusewatch.net/pedophiles.pdf

Go ahead, dazzle us all with your education and explain how that doesn't specifically state that homosexual pedophiles abuse children more than twice as often as heterosexual pedophiles.

Let's see it.

 

I don't think most of the liberals want to acknowledge that tidbit, confirmed by two different studies. However, I do see it all as part of a larger serious mental illness issue, where pre-disposition plays a huge role in all these behaviors. The crimes are so horrendous, and yet I am sympathetically sad for the offenders.

That said, I would opt for executing convicted child molesters. Wish them dealt a better hand in the next life. I will let them choose the method, but I could throw the switch, pull the lever, inject the needle, or squeeze the trigger.

 

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children,

I really don't think you have read the article.

You are the one that cited the article- and this sentence in the very article you cite- directly contradicts what you say that the article says.

I perfectly understand what Dr.'s Hall are saying- they are saying that the percentage of pedophiles who molest boys(homosexual pedophiles) is much higher than the percentage of homosexuals in the population.

And then Dr's Hall clarify this for those who would try to use this data to attack homosexuals:

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children,

So why do you cite this article- if you don't understand it- or believe it?

No- this statement of yours is the lie:
"The facts are homosexual pedophiles abuse more than twice the amount of children."

And I presented the figures- from again the article you cite- which shows that girls are the victims up to 91% of the time- i.e. victims of heterosexual pedophiles.

Abused female child
69% (less than 6 years old)
75% (6-11 years old)
91% (12-17 years old)

The facts show that a girl is at least twice as likely to be assaulted by a heterosexual pedophile than a boy is likely to be assaulted by a homosexual pedophile.

And yet you focus exclusively on boys.

This is the first time you have ever mentioned girls.

Once again- upwards of 75% of all child sex abuse victims are girls. Virtually all pedophile are men.

The numbers show that any child is more at risk with any random man than with any random woman.

The numbers show that my daughter is more at risk- roughly twice as likely to be abused- with any random man than any boy is at risk with any random man.

And this thread- like all such threads- focus entirely on men abusing boys- attempting to make it about homosexuals.

Either the posters just don't like girls- or they really hate homosexuals- because I havent' seen any other explanation for why the posters exclusively focus on the minority of child sexual predators and child sex victims

 

Is it worth even doing the math- when clearly you just don't care about the answers.

According to the same article- which you keep citing when you think convenient- 75% of all children 6-11 who are reported as abused are girls.

75% of all victims of pedophiles are girls 6-11 are girls.

That goes to 91% for girls 12-17.

Now- lets go to the part that you cite:

Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on
average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of
34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on
average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of
52 acts.15 So if pedophiles who are attracted to boys(homosexual pedophiles) abused roughly twice as many children as pedophiles who are attracted to girls(heterosexual pedophiles)- but there are twice as many girls who are victims than boys- how do we square up those numbers?

Because there are just more heterosexual pedophiles.

X represents heterosexual pedophiles and
Y represents homosexual pedophiles
Assume population of victims is 100- 75 girls, 25 boys

X would have assaulted 5 children each- so there would be 15 heterosexual pedophiles for 75 victims.
Y would have assaulted 10.7 victims each- so there would be 2 or 3 homosexual pedophiles for 25 victims.

15 heterosexual pedophiles- each attacking an average of 5 victims.
2.5 homosexual pedophiles- each attacking an average of 10.7 victims.

Twice as many heterosexual pedophiles as homosexual pedophiles.

And as Dr's Hall point out:

This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children.

 

I agree with much of what you say- though I can't say I am sad for offenders- I do have sympathy for those who are attracted to children- which they cannot control- but control their actions. But no sympathy for those who assault children.

I agree completely- I would not have had a single hesitation ending the molester and murderer of Polly Klaas.