Is Trump a Fascist?

Trump's cult of personality, his lack of respect for the law, the Big Lie, saying the media "is truly the enemy of the people and on and on.....I think Reich has it right.

 

It's a completely overused word that people don't understand the meaning of.

That's like calling Democrats communist.

 

Yes. I've defended him against that label in the past, but his attempts to overthrow the election and install himself as an unelected dictator proved I was wrong to do so. He's the most fascist person we've had run in modern history. It isn't even close.

 

The Democrats are not communists. Hardly anyone believes in that economic model any more, although Xi in China would like to go back to it.

The Democrats want alliances between big business and government. That's what fascism is about, and that's their ideal model.

The Bud Lite ad, which featured the transsexual person was exactly what the Democrats want. It blew up in their faces. Those pesky working class people don't want that nonsense. The Democrats will have push more indoctrination in the schools to make it work.

Now the Democrats are forcing the automobile companies to produce electric vehicles that few people want. Watch them come up with more bailouts for the car companies to make up for their losses from EVs, if the Democrats regain control of the government.

 

Getting to Trump, his ego is even larger than his waistline. I think he stares in the mirror and wonders why he's not king of the world. He and Dr. Fauci have that in common.

If Trump really cared about the U.S., he would withdraw from the race now to help save it. Four more years of Biden or Gavin Newsom will probably be enough to get us to the point of no return.

 

Or calling Dems "socialists," which is a common occurrence, here on the forum.

 

Lol, dude, no. Fauci just gave his expert advice. He never tried to be "king of the world." Where do you guys come up with this braindead nonsense?

 

That video does an admirable job of differentiating Fascism from mere Authoritarianism. Also, though he hasn't extolled the use of brute force and violence, hasn't manifestly relegated women to a lower position than men, in society, and hasn't fully gone in on the idea of a superior race, much of the 5 criteria of the Fascist label seem applicable to the #2 Republican candidate, Ron DeSantis. Given time and the opportunity, however, I would expect the Tallahassee Tyrant, to fill out that list.

 

Don’t cut Trump any slack. The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were doing Trump’s bidding. The FBI has evidence there was a cellular call from the White House to the Proud Boys pre 1/6. I’d call that brute force and speaking of that, president grab them by the poosy doesn’t treat women with respect, as multiple women will testify. On race he wondered why we get immigrants from shithole countries (Africa) and not places like Norway, a better class of people. And Mexicans? Criminals, drug dealers and rapists.

 

If you watch the video Reich will help you understand; you seem confused.

 

Joe Biden supplies weapons to the Neo Nazi Azov and other Neo Nazi groups of Western Ukraine,
but that doesn't count because Joe is a Democrat.

 

One could argue that narcissistic personality disorder is an excellent nidus for fascism. Trump is a good illustration of that, but so far it looks like he will be unable to beat our system.

 

I'm not the one trying to slap a ridiculous label on to something that doesn't fit.

You seem more than confused

 

Joe Biden backs the fascists in Western Ukraine,
so if Donnie was a fascist then Joe would back him.
QED.

 

You misread my post. I did not cut Trump any slack-- in fact I did not say anything, specifically, about Trump. From the sentence that begins with "Also," I am speaking about a different Republican candidate. There is really no excuse for your confusion. Read it again:

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That video does an admirable job of differentiating Fascism from mere Authoritarianism. Also, though he hasn't extolled the use of brute force and violence, hasn't manifestly relegated women to a lower position than men, in society, and hasn't fully gone in on the idea of a superior race, much of the 5 criteria of the Fascist label seem applicable to the #2 Republican candidate, Ron DeSantis. Given time and the opportunity, however, I would expect the Tallahassee Tyrant, to fill out that list.
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As I have tried to make clearer, with the use of editing tools, the "he," in that sentence, refers not to Trump, but to Ron DeSantis. The basic idea was that this, second most popular Republican candidate also has some definite Fascist traits, though I had to preface that with saying that DeSantis hasn't yet manifestly checked all the boxes (like, it was implied, Trump has). I then added that I feel this is only a matter of his having had far less exposure (than Trump) and that it would only be a matter of time & opportunity, before we would see DeSantis for the full fledged Fascist, he appears in his heart, to be (as well).

Miscellaneous: Tallahassee is the Capitol of Florida; hence, by "the Tallahassee Tyrant," I am referring, still, to DeSantis. I didn't think there was any need to say anything about Trump-- the video had covered that, pretty well.


P.S.-- I am one of those who voted in your Trump poll, for "Fascist/Yes."

 

He didn't try to "overthrow" the 2020 election. He wanted it sent back to the states for review as he thought, and I think, it was stolen. That's before you add in the malfeasance and possible criminality of the "fortification". And that is what was unacceptable to the actual fascists. Had this gone back to the states for review, centralized Federal power was subordinated to the states. And they couldn't have that.

ITMT: Fascism is a totalitarian political movement. Rather than the state confiscating the means of production, the state colludes with private interests to create a totalitarian state. Social credit scores. Getting people fired if they aren't obedient and take the clot shot, even if they already have natural immunity. Collude with private media organizations to censure those with wrong think. That isn't Donald Trump. It is Biden types in the uniparty.

 

But there is no provision in our Constitution, for the President to have any say in the certification of electors. If anyone believes there is reason to doubt election results, the proper avenue is the courts. Trump tried in that arena, and failed, many, many times-- because he had no evidence. You or Trump having a "gut feeling" that something about an election smells rotten, is not an adequate cause to send back a state's electors.

Don't know what you are talking about, here-- is this from one of your silly, Right wing, conspiracy movies?

LOL-- to get into power, Fascists will take any means available to them. It would only be after they had fraudulently retained power, that they would adhere to Fascist principles, to solidify that power, through purges, and expansion of their own powers.

 

There is no Constitutional bar to POTUS asking for state review either.
Clarence Thomas wanted to hear a case as he believed the issue relevant to the election and future elections, even if not dispositive. He got shut down because the uniparty wanted Biden no matter what.
There is plenty of evidence that Biden stole the election. Example: He lost 18/19 bellwether counties. Enough evidence to be a proof? I think so. Others think not. Still others are willfully blind.
ITMT: I note you don't take issue with my understanding of what actual fascism is. Is Trump accused of the systemic totalitarianism evidenced by Biden and the Uniparty? Did Trump force people to take the clot shot, even if they already had natural immunity, under threat of being fired? Did Trump try to shut down wrong think in social media? Seriously, are there examples showing he did? Cuz the mass murderously depraved, child grooming, totalitarian left is clamoring to be able to do so, endangering us all.

 

The Eastman memo says otherwise.

 

Here it is, almost 3 years since Trump was President, and the political Forum is still obsessed with him. It is no wonder that the country cannot move along. Trump is a narcissus but no different than Bill Clinton, Barack Obama or the many other Presidents and elected officials we have had over the years. Most of you knew what Trump was when you elected him, just like Biden and some of the other losers in the past like Carter and Nixon. So far, as I have listened to the candidate's , the one that stand's out for me is, Tim Scott. Not to say I won't change my mind after some debates. I also like Kennedy and would like too hear more from him. It's time to send Trump into retirement and Biden too jail. Let us elect someone with some intelligence for a change.

 

The US (not Biden) supplies weapons to Ukraine, which it distributes as it sees fit. While Ukraine might not like the ideology of Azov, it's clearly operating on the principle of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. And is Russia so much better, with its mercenaries?

 

You seem to be assuming facts not in evidence. Look up the Night of the Long Knives, when fascist fought fascist in Germany. A shared political belief does not necessarily make an ally.

 

Wrong. That option expires, once the results have been certified, which happened on December 11, 2020.

This answer of yours, tells me that I'm talking to someone with a warped political sensibility. "Thomas wanted to hear the case," but he was "shut down," because why? To those of us living in reality, it was because a majority of the rest of the Court-- the Conservative Court-- did not want to hear the case. To your mind, though, I guess Justices Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Coney Barrett, and Roberts, are part of the "Biden uniparty?" So why isn't Thomas part of that, too? Oh, I get it, anyone who doesn't agree with you, thereby becomes a member of the Biden uniparty. When Bill Barr, for example, was misrepresenting the findings of the Mueller Report, or empowering special counsels to "investigate the investigators," he was being a straight arrow, in your book; but when he says that the allegations of voter fraud were all bullshit, that is proof, to your mind, that he has turned to the dark side? It must be wonderful to know everything, even when there is no proof of it.

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Former Attorney General Bill Barr on Wednesday undermined a key pillar of his old boss’ defense in the special counsel’s probe into 2020 election interference, telling CNN’s Kaitlan Collins that Donald Trump “knew well he lost the election.”

The former attorney general also described Trump’s alleged actions as detailed in the indictment as “nauseating” and “despicable,” saying on “The Source,” “someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.”
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...rr-trump-arraignment-2020-election/index.html

LOL-- that is in no way, evidence of election fraud-- it only shows an aberration from the usual voting patterns, for that election. Winning the so-called "bellweather" counties, is not a requirement, for winning the election: 271 electoral votes, is-- no matter which states they come from, and which counties in those states, are the ones which hand a candidate the victory.

What is very indicative that his allegations of voter fraud were bogus, was that in 62 of the 63 cases brought by the Trump team, the suits were dismissed, usually due to lack of any credible supporting evidence:

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After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits[1] contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.[2] Among the judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by Trump himself.[3]

Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence.[4] Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous"[5] and "without merit".[6][7] In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.[8] Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to “cure” their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes,[9] and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.[10]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pos...elated_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election

 

It wouldn't surprise me If Trump was facist. When Trump was President, He thought that he could do what he wanted and didn't have to take orders from anyone. He probably thinks he can get away with anythong.

 

I think you need to re-read the 1st Amendment.
Trump cannot have "known" that he legit lost the election if in reality, he looks to have had the election stolen from him. Biden lost 18/19 bellwether counties. Biden did win where they counted in person votes 1st so they'd know in advance how many ballots they'd need to print to steal the election, and then, over night kept counting till they got the result they wanted.
I do think what Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Coney Barrett, and Roberts did was cowardly. They chose to go along to get along.
Back to Biden and Fascism:
1) He has us in yet another forever war that endangers our lives while making us poorer.
2) He is weaponizing government to attack his political opposition.
3) He is advancing hoaxes, such as the "climate crisis" in an effort to build a totalitarian state as he reminds you, you don't really need those silly 1st and 2nd Amendments. He can just nuke you if he finds you problematic.
4) He is creating a world in which there are rules for thee but not he and his. While screaming that the rich need to pay their fair share of taxes, Hunter appears to have engaged in massive Felony tax evasion and it is likely the "big guy" that got 10%? Where is that 10%? Can we assume that is Biden, that he received this $ and it was never declared?



EDIT: And "no evidence". Right. https://www.yahoo.com/video/over-7-000-affidavits-delivered-230000597.html

He had a lawyer and multiple strategies? How FASCIST of him!!!!!