Is Trump clearing Manfort's Russian debt?

Did anyone else notice that at the same time Manfort is on trial, the Trump Administration is seriously considering lifting sanctions on a certain Russian aluminum run by the gangster Oleg Deripashka.

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/28/as...o-lift-sanctions-on-russian-aluminum-company/

Yes, this is the same Oleg Deripashka who Paul Manafort owes $19 million to. The same guy who Manafort approached with an offer for secret insider briefings on the goings on in the Trump Campaign for the benefit of Putin. He was trying to use the briefings to get whole with Deripashka, who is one of Putin's favorites.

If Trump isn't going to do anything to try and keep Manafort out of jail, at least he's clearing the slate for him with Deripashka.

Any questions?

 

I thought you guys were saying that Manafort was going to flip?

Yes...I distinctly remember that...oh wait, was that Comey? ….. no, no hold on a second, its Cohen.....or was it Trump Jr. ?

Wait...no, I'm positive now, it is Bannon who is going to flip.

lol

 

If found guilty in his present trial and in his next one Manafort is looking at a life sentence with no parole.....he'll flip if he has anything worthwhile to offer??

 

It is an interesting theory, but unless there is some sort of documented communication or Manafort agrees to testify to that effect.

 

Learn how the system works.

Who imposes the sentence in federal court is the judge, not the jury. So tainting the jury by trying to get them to hate the rich old white guy may work for conviction, but not sentencing.

The typical sentence for a criminal tax case is 1 to 3 years. Manafort won't get a life sentence. It is likely if Manafort doesn't agree to tell lies against Trump to try to save himself, his last days in office Trump might pardon him anyway. He and his son both have been blasting the treatment of Manafort, which has been outrageous. A 12 year old tax case - where the IRS can't even audit after 10 years - for which not 1 in 100 cases are even taken to criminal court - with Manafort held in prison in solitary and FIVE people given immunity to try to convict Manafort solely because he was temporarily with the Trump campaign?

Life sentence isn't even on the table.

 

What will be the disposition of the other eighteen felonies against Manafort, including bank fraud?

 

Manafort is counting on a pardon. He will have even less credibility after this trial than before and his testimony wouldn't be worth squat anyway. Nobody has to flip on Trump. His big stupid mouth will be enough to impeach him for obstruction.However, that will only happen if the Democrats win back the house, which is about 50-50 chance. Even then, there will never be enough GOP Senators with enough integrity to vote to remove him and a few Democrats are kind of sucking up to him also. I would much rather have a lame duck Trump than that pious dimwit Pence anytime. Cohen is already flipping like a pancake.

 

No, you learn how the system works. Federal sentencing guidelines leave very little disgression to the judge. All the so called conservatives loved these guidelines when they passed them, now not so much...lol...Some of these cases are more recent than 12 years champ and are ongoing. You are making stuff up again. Also, Manafort has another case coming up down the highway after this trial is over and then faces a witness tampering case after that. I don't want to see the old scammer in jail for the rest of his life. I would rather see him have to forfeit all of his ill gotten wealth and deported to Moscow.

 

I don't think anything would be gained by Manafort flipping. Gates knows everything Manafort knows, and he has already flipped.

 

Ahhh I forgot to add Gates to the list.

Funny that you know he flipped but MSNBC hasn't covered it.

You have some serious inside info, thanks for informing us!

 

If you want to know what MSNBC has reported, why don't you try watching MSNBC?

Oh... no .... wait! You might actually (gasp!) become informed.... And Trump wouldn't like that.....

https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with...pped-where-does-mueller-go-next-1169645123570

BTW, this was February... and on Fox they're still hiding it from you?

 

I did and I watched your link.

The guy is specifically asked if anything Gates has said would lead to Trump and he say's its not likely.

More fake news from the left.

But we aren't surprised.

I would give you the time on the video where he says it but since you didn't bother to watch it in the first place then what's the point.

lol

Nice to see you are a soldier for the enemy of the people.

 

I can always tell it's Friday by just reading your posts. I can see you enjoy your Friday nights....

He flipped! That video is from February. Its only purpose is to prove that he flipped, and that MSNBC reported it.... and that you're full of crap.

Mission accomplished!

Now... if you want to know if he has anything that would involve Trump, you can ask. Or, better yet.... watch a real news network. Like MSNBC.

 

He flipped on Manafort lol.

Seriously dude, watch the video.

It has nothing to do with what I commented on.

You are exposed for your fake news, everyone can see it.

 

The OP is obviously not following the trial ... Mueller's prosecutors elicited testimony from Gates / Manaforts former tax accountant yesterday. The accountant, testifying under condition of immunity. Gates / Manafort allegedly recorded payments as loans ... This specific practice is what the majority of charges stem from. Assuming Mueller hasn't pulled this theory out of his own ass, Manafort's foreign loans aren't actually debts at all. Prosecutors note that Manafort made no payments on any of the purported "loans" from foreign clients. Manafort was plagued by tax liability, not debt.

 

Who told you that MSNBC hasn't covered the fact that Gates flipped? Sham Hammity? Mark Levin?

 

This is ridiculous on several levels. I suspect that it is a perfect reflection of right wing media distortions of the case. I have seen some pretty bizarre stuff about the Manafort case on Fox, and the spin coming out of the noise machine seems to be that Mueller doesn't have much of a case. Which is obviously false, as the testimony you specifically refer to makes clear.

BTW, the fact that Manafort had gone through all his Russian money and was broke is very very well known.

As for this:

"Manafort was plagued by tax liability, not debt."

Tell it to this guy.

"Oleg Deripaska sues Paul Manafort for allegedly failing to recover $18.9 million Deripaska had invested in a failed joint venture to acquire the Ukrainian company Black Sea Cable. Though Manafort claimed in 2016 that the suit had been resolved, and his spokesman saidthe case “is dormant and will not be pursued further,” according to The Washington Post, “there are no signs in court documents that the case has been closed.”

https://themoscowproject.org/collusion/oleg-deripaska-sues-paul-manafort-18-9-million/

More here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

 

You claimed that MSNBC was not reporting that Gates had flipped.

The video made a mockery of your ridiculous claim. You're the one peddling fake news.

 

I think that is where all this is going.

World leaders have figured out that the way to play Trump is to give him a pageant and some ceremony for the TV cameras, let him run his mouth, and then ignore him.

So far, Kim Jung Un, Xi and Putin have all given him this treatment.

Congress can take many of his toys aways from him, and a Democratic Congress certainly will.

And we will have a steady diet of Trump officials, and intelligence types in front of Congressiona committees on live TV talking about everything from Russian collusion to no bid contracts for two guys to rebuild the Puerto Rican electrical grid.

 

Trumpsters on this thread seem to be working hard to miss the point.

While Manafort is on trial, Trump is using his office to square Manfort's Russian debts.

That's the point.

And that goes right to the rest of the Russia matter.

 

Don't you find it interesting that we regularly learn the "evidence" the prosecution leaked/released/presented to the public, is being dismissed as irrelevant by Judge Ellis?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...des-prosecutors-for-focus-on-lavish-lifestyle

All the dog whistles, all the concerted efforts of the liberal funded boiler rooms, and the twisting and ridiculous conjecture and postulating regarding what is described as mountains of evidence - crashing into the reality of what is relevant to the case.

In the end, to rational people, waiting to see how the case plays out seems the prudent course.

To the irrational and incentivized types, spinning yarns and jumping to biased conclusions is the order of the day.

 

Actually, what I find interesting is the fact that you are working so hard to ignore or miss the point of this thread.

This thread is not about the Manafort trial.

It is about the fact that while few are looking, Trump is using his office to fix things for Manafort with his Russian gangster friends.

 

It takes no effort to recognize BS conjecture and conspiracy lunacy when it's being spread Tom.

The only ones working hard are you and the others on your team.

 

I provided the link.

I also provided links which refuted your false claim that Manafort didn't have any money problems.

All you did was yell you favorite slogan once again.

It doesn't take any kind of stretch to see the potential connection between these two facts. Especially given that both Manafort and Trump have been in bed with Russian gangsters for a very long time.

Indeed, these are the exact sort of stories that people SHOULD be paying attention to.

This is why you never saw Trump's tax returns. He didn't want you to see the names of teh partnership agreements and have the press identify who the principals are, or the money laundering. (He also didn't want you to know that his claims about his wealth are all lies too).

I have little doubt taht Trump is even more exposed to folks like Deripashka than Manafort is.

It's also obvious that the Mueller probe is looking hard at Trump, Kushner, the Trump Organization and the conveniently defunct Trump Foundation. I suspect Mueller and others are a looking at the conveniently defunct Cambridge Analytica as well.

 

Nowhere in that article does it mention the name Manafort.