ISNA Longs to Replace Spain with Islamic 'Andalusia'

ISNA Longs to Replace Spain with Islamic 'Andalusia'
The Muslim Brotherhood and their U.S. groups are not hiding the fact that they are committed to resurrecting the caliphate.

Andalusia: Paradise still lost?
~by Misbahuddin Mirza

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The Muslim Brotherhood and their U.S. groups are not hiding the fact that they are committed to resurrecting the caliphate. ISNA's article about Andalucia Islamists long for the days of when Spain was under an Islamic state called Andalusia. The Muslim Brotherhood's founder preached that Spain must return to the House of Islam.

After 800 years of captivity under the Muslim rule, Muslim today long to return to Andalous = Andalusia (Spain)

 

Geez, a group of people (virtually none of whom have lived in a country for literally hundreds of years) who want to push out an existing population in order to resurrect a long-vanished religious-based nation. I agree with HBendor - they are obviously nuts and a menace to global security (tongue firmly in cheek).

 

Any land that Muslims have lived on is considered 'holy land', and if it is not under Islamic rule, it is considered a grave insult to Islam. This is why the Palestinians always made remarks that they were being humiliated. It was not a personal humiliation towards them, nor was it an intentional one, it was and is based solely on their beliefs of Islamic hegemony and the imposition of their more 'perfect' society on the rest of the world.

Spain is not the only nations under threat. There are Christian nations in the Balkans such as Cyprus, Greece, Serbia etc., who are under the same threat and for the same reason. This of course bodes the question, what about the areas of Paris and other cities which are now predominantly Muslim? Are they now also considered Islamic holyland?

 

wow, woah! that was the freaking sweetest burn I've seen! even though I don't necessarily agree, I have to congratulate you! epic, flawless. I'm speechless. made my day.

OP: I wish them luck.

 

How is islam's claim to Andalusia any different then Israel's claim to the palestine?

 

here, i agree

 

Indeed, I don't know why cons always says judao-christian values when in reality the only influence judaism had was the christianity was born out of it. Jews didn't contribute in such a noticeable way as to warrant sharing the spot with christianity as a pillar of western civilization. But i guess it's to get more of a jews and christian versus muslims picture.

 

western civilization was born in the Northern Italy (where the Jews had very low status) in early middle age, judao-christian values term in use ONLY in USA , its a pure Zionist construction

 

no it was not. and yeah, probably some israeli propaganda, and it's used in europe too. By Geert wilders among others.

 

The Christians and Muslims fought each other for hundreds of years in Spain until the Muslims were finally defeated. Now, after some 800 years of Christian rule, they want to start the fight up again?

It's not happening. It's just talk.

 

Actually, it was born in Sumeria. Aryans didn't even know how to write until they came into contact with Semitic peoples. Some of them are still, socially, at the spear-chucker level.

Andalusia was a lot more culturally advanced than the rest of Europe during the Convivencia. I can see why the extremist Muslims might want it back, but there is really nothing in the Qur'an to justify imposing a new caliphate, unless the Spanish decide they want to take back the old Vandal kingdom.

 

Writing isn't western culture, and while the west certinaly has oriental influences we split from that and went more with greco-roman.

Spain, the legal successor to the union of the many small kingdom of aragon, leon, castile, galicia, and whatnot is the direct continuation of the vandal kingdom afaik.

 

wrong, its a latest Frankish contraction, "Andalusia " was never close to east roman(Byzantine) greatness...

 

The Greeks were illiterate, barbaric spear-chuckers when they met the Egyptians and Phoenicians.

Half the Greek gods are of Semitic origin.

 

It was as a matter of fact quite an advanced culture in it's days; the envy of europe.

 

Indeed, orientalism did influence the greeks, and thus us, early on when they weren't advanced. But then the tables turned and greek culture not only spread to europe but also to india for a time. The greeks continued to develop the ideas they've borrowed from the east, and made much great stuff by themsevles such as progress in the fields of theater, philosophy, mathematics and much more. The greeks were actually sensationally advanced in some regards. They had small steam engines you know, which they never say the potential of though. And have you heard about archimedes crazy machinations? A shame they stopped, or rather were stopped, or we might have gotten into the industrial age before AD 1000.

EDIT: And by the way, what is this blatant disrespect for other cultures you are showing here? illiterate barbaric spear-chuckers? Aren't you supposed to be a lefty, loving all cultures? or maybe it's only the non-western ones?

 

Sumeria is a very long shot, why are not Hittites? anyway the norther Italy is not my conception , read fernand braudel

wrong, its a latest Frankish contraction, "Andalusia " was never more advanced then the east roman(Byzantine) empire ...+ Kiev, Polacak, Novgorod were huge, wealthy , and clean cities but i guess you dont include them in "europe"

 

only in its western(barbaric) part of Europe, the eastern part had it greatest time , with Constantinople on the top, which was the biggest city in the world

 

Thank you, at least this time we agree and from my side no tongue in cheek!

 

When was it founded then, the renaissance? If so what do you call that which was before? Kiev and novgorod were big clean trading hubs for sure but im very sure al-andalus were ahead in maby areas. Irrigation for one, architecture for another. As for eastrome i think they were on par actually.

 

Good retort, good thinking... the rest of the Mediterranean countries like Sardinia, Malta, part of Italy and the like were once under the Muslim yoke... would these be considered in danger?

 

I guess we better make sure Muslim don't get a chance to start another global holy war for they know very well if the Crusades were to be recalled and revitalise to fight off these Muslim conquerors it would surely be the end of days.

Remember Palestine, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Turkey were Christian lands they were once centre of Christian studies and capital Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Damascus before Muslim invaders destroy it all if Muslims will start claiming what is not theirs then Christians have every right to retake those lands back. Spain was never a Muslim land the Spaniards defended and retook their lands from the Muslims.
This goes back again to claims made by many Muslims and none Muslim posters that Muslims are not interested in Europe and yet we see the contrary in happening both historically and current events.

 

Do you redact your retorts before posting them? I wonder.

 

Bah humbug...

 

If Christianity progressed from the moral laws of Judaism, then how can they not be called Judaic Christian values? As for getting more Jews and Christians against Islam, that is ridiculous. It was being said in Europe even before Islam became a threat. Stop being so paranoid.