Israel admits: Just 0.7% of West Bank allocated to Palestinians

Nope, that was not my logic, that was your and Shiva's logic. I merely took it to its logical conclusion which proved the bogus nature of the "right of return" claim by arab pseudo-refugees.

 

Well Im sorry but no I do not agree with you there. Thats simply untenable and entirely untrue. A law or a resolution is not made legitimate by its simply being made but by its adherence to the principles on which it is based.
If no qualified body of experts has ruled on its adherence then how are we to know if it is correct?

For all we know they could adopt some ridiculous idea like repatriation. Or the Moon being made of cheese.

Of course you do, you accuse them or unjustly ivading palestinine, of commiting acts or terror and unjust war and even of being squatters etc.

I merely point out the utter hypocrisy of the pro-Israel mob. We dont criticise Israel on the basis of resolutions per se, we criticise on the basis of the underlying moral case against their actions.

And shouldnt you S.T.F.U. like you tell everyone else to do and be more concerned about Khazakstan ? Or are you not really from K'n?

Yes, as long as it adheres to the UN charter and in the absence of other options such as an ICJ ruling or a UN protection force. Whats wrong with that?

But no, annexations are not legal or moral.

Are we in agreement?

 

Both the Jews and Arabs are wrong in claiming a Right of Citizenship based upon ancestry.

 

Yes you did. And of course this logic also therefore shows that the idea of repatriation of jews whod never set foot in Palestine was/ is also absurd. It is a consistent and therefore credible application of logical analysis - I dont see what your problem with it is.

 

Every member of the United Nations has voluntarily agreed to comply with all UN Security Council Resolutions. Members of the United Nations have a treaty obligation to comply with Security Council Resolutions and are in violation of their treaty obligations if they fail to comply. It is an inherent responsibility of the Security Council to take any effective steps necessary to force compliance by a member nation that refuses to comply with a Security Council Resolution and if that is not done then the Security Council is failing in its delegated roles and responsibilities.

UN General Assembly Resolutions are only recommendations that have no authority. A member of the United Nations may comply or not comply with a recommendation by the General Assemby.

 

That's the default position of course. What do you propose? Does every country get to decide for itself which resolution is "legal" and which one is not and can be safely ignored? Or do you think you, Shiva and KK should be contacted for the ruling?

Can we then agree that UN resolutions are by definition meaningless, they can all be ignored and you will never criticize any country for non-compliance?

Absolutely, in response to their non-stop bleating about Israel's alleged non-compliance I merely point out the log in their own eye. What do you expect?

I will be more than happy to S T F U when the anti-Israel mob representing european criminal countries like yours and arab criminal countries like Egypt S.T.F.U. But your ilk is starting 90% of these threads bleating non-stop about big bad non-compliant Israel while your own countries are the real criminals and the biggest violators of all international laws and norms.

Does international law says that in absence of other options a country is allowed to invade a neighbor and join a civil war raging in that country? And don't you think that Arab annexation of palestine betrays their true intentions which had nothing to do with human rights etc? Don't you think it's absurd to claim that arab dictatorships, tyrannies and theocracies invaded, occupied and annexed parts of Palestine in order to preserve human rights of its inhabitants? LOL

 

Finally, two anti-Israel posters have finally recognized that the "right of return" is a bogus and absurd claim. It's a start

 

I understand that that's what you believe in but it's too late to do anything about it anyway, most Israelis were born in Israel and they certainly belong there. On the other hand the arab right of return claim (which is one of the primary sticking points in peace talks) as you admit is completely bogus and illegal. Thanks, I am glad we are beginning to agree on certain things

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Hey creation, see, here is your answer, you must comply with UN resolutions even if they rule that the moon is made of cheese. LOL

 

I'd say put it to the ICJ. Failing that put it to a body of concerned locals and local nations whom the decision will impact most.

Um indeed they can be ignored if they dont comply with UN charter.

Well I expect you to S.T.F.U and instead focus on cleaning up Khazakstan.

Why do you care about what they say when youre more concerned about khazakstan? Or is K'n just a ruse you made up because Borat is from K'n?

It has nothing to say on the matter when there is a lack of other options. Because of course Int law is there to provide the options - but of course if they are not used then no law can apply. Only moral and logical reasoning.

No, if you read the actual history from actual historians such as Avi Shlaim youll find that the annexations didnt mean the interventions were only about annexations, there remained the primary motivation of the civil war crisis. For example, while King Abdullah wanted to annex arab palestine, he had in any case no choice but to intervene due to public pressure to save the palestinians. Further support for a unitary palestine government was consistent throughout the Arab League.

 

No thats also what YOU believe in, and thats why indeed we do agree. You now agree that this logic also therefore shows that the idea of repatriation of jews whod never set foot in Palestine was/ is also absurd.

Im sorry but you mentioned UNSC resolutions. Which is different. However, even they must be shown to comply with the charter, otherwise indeed we'll end up with everyone supporting any nonsense that comes out.

 

Look I hoped again to have a conversation with you, you again rejected my comments and stop the conversation. I only ask that you leave us, or indeed just me alone.

Yes, Scotland was invaded by the scots, who were from Ireland, since then many Scots went to Ireland. Therefore Scotland belongs to the Irish? After all the name of our land is derived from an Irish people.

Im completely aware of the name Judea. And all the rest, it is little consequence or relevance to the inhabitants though of course you do covet it.

 

Here is what this thread has discovered so far

you think it's ok to ignore UN resolutions unless they are confirmed by the ICJ (none is) but Israel is the only country on the planet that must abide by them nonetheless.
you think it's ok to bleat about Israel's non-compliance with UN resolutions while you claim they are invalid
you think being a citizen of a country which has violated international law countless times you have a moral right to bash Israel instead of cleaning up your own house.
you think that the arab violations of UN resolutions are always justified but Israel must always be compliant
you think that unprovoked invasions, wars and annexations carried out by arab countries are compliant with international law.

Did I miss anything? LOL

 

Indeed. Especially when they are only recommendations.

No. I couldnt give a monkeys about non-compliance with non-binding resolutions, International law however is different.

Absolutely. Just as Israelis have every right to bash the UK, or Palestinians to bash both.

Depends what resolution. For example, Res 181 contravened the UN charter.

If youre referring to the 1947/8 war, then of course. And it wasnt unprovoked. Ethnic cleansing is an affront to all mankind and causes big problems for all surrounding nation states and peoples.

Indeed I think youve just about covered it, except for that we also learned that You now agree with my logic that the idea of repatriation of jews whod never set foot in Palestine was/ is also absurd.



Did I miss anything? LOL[/QUOTE]

 

So how do you feel about non-stop arab violations of international/humanitarian/human rights laws? How do you feel about the Arab invasion and annexation of Palestine in 1948? You can't seriously expect to convince anyone that International law allows arab dictatorships invade neighbors for whatever reason and annex their land, can you? How do you feel about your own country routinely violating international law? What are you doing to stop these violations? How many threads have you started, how many posts have you written about Arab/British violations of international laws? Aren't you embarrassed to be a UK citizen and have the Palestinian flag in your profile, both entities are routine violators of all imaginable international laws? Are you OK with that?

Do you agree you are a hypocrite if you are bashing Israel while your own country and the arab world you support so much are the biggest by far abusers of international law on the planet?

 

Im against them mostly.

Im against it. As were most arabs.

Int law doesnt allow annexation. It does however allow preservation of life.

It depends what violations you mean, but mostly Im against it, as are many Britons.

I dont start many threads, but occasionally on a point of debate I do start one, it depends.

Yes Im ok with that. Theres no need to be embarrassed. Just as youre ok with an offensive avatar and your ruse about being from Khazakstan.

I would be a hypocrite if I agreed with various UK abuses personally while criticising the abuses of other nations and peoples. But since Im against much of British policy I cant be a hypocrite.

Now are you going to answer a question?

 

So you are a UK citizen, you are flying the palestinian flag, both entities are the biggest violators of international law, you ignore at best but usually defend gross violations of international law and UN resolutions (including UNSC resolutions) by all arab countries, you never speak up about British/Arab criminal activities, you are bleating about Israel in all your posts and you are not a hypocrite? Are you sure?

 

Yes Im sure, absolutely sure, and I can prove it. Shall we discuss how this can be so or shall we discuss something else?

 

Had the British created a Jewish state at the same time it created an Islamic state Israel would have existed as a Jewish state since the 1920s and all of this middle east/Jewish/Islamic clashes would have ended decades. Chalk that up as a screw up by GB in the same fashion as the monster they created when they split India when leaving. Hindus and Muslims had lived together for centuries before the British colonization. GB made a mess of most mainland Asian colonization.

 

Your example defeats your statement doesnt it?

 

It is now proof positive that to debate any subject with you would spawn an argumentative retort to deflect from the subject matter.

You are pro Arab (naturally if you are not already an Arab by birth) so defend the indefensible.

 

Please H, Im actually agreeing with the general point of the poster. GB did screw up in both places, one could say.

The trouble with zionism is it effects a modus vivendi with the same bigotry and intolerance it proports to oppose across the world..

Im not pro-arab, Im pro-jewish. I dont want to see the great jewish people despoil themselves in this filthy enterprise a moment longer - its a betrayal of their great history. Thankfully though Jewish + Judaism does not equal Zionism.

 

I wonder how you could be displaying the emblem of the terrorists...

For your education and the education of all opponents 'Zionism" is the Political Party for the return of Jews to their ANCESTRAL HOME... period

No amount of cajoling or insulting posts will an IOTA change... Netanyahu does not control All of Israel politically... Go move HALF A MILLION Jews ensconced in Judea, again JUDEA = Jewish Land.

 

I understand what youre saying, I also wonder how you can display the blue and white colours of terrorists too, but I guess its a complicated matter.

Yes I know what zionism is. And is the return to an ancestral home is a stupid idea.

I havent insulted you at all, but no these jews will be difficult to remove, thats why they were allowed there - to build facts. However, a nice land swap will suffice.

By the way, youre not getting Judea and Samaria.

 

The white and blue flag of Israel is the flag that all Israelis swore allegiance to and 99% of Israelis are not terrorists... we are a legal member of the UN since the reconstitution of the Jewish State.

Return to Zion is a stupid Idea in your mind and you say you are pro Israel... If this is a stupid idea then Seven Million to 8 Million Israelis are stupid? Au contraire mon ami your statement does not hold water.

You want to bet? There will never be another Palestinian State since one already exist and they call it Jordan!

 

Yes indeed it is the flag of Israelis etc etc, its still a terrorist emblem. Indeed 99% of israelis are not terrorists, just alot of your leaders. And the jewish state wasnt reconstituted. It never existed before. The previous incarnation was a temporary tribal kingdom.

Im not pro israel, im pro jewish, its a different thing. Yes 7 to 8 million Israelis are entirely misguided.

Yeah HBendor, I do want to bet. Whether or a Palestinian state ever gets set up I bet you that you are never ever getting Judea and Samaria no matter how much you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and whine about it being yours. Is that clear enough for you?