Israel vows to pursue Syria operations until Iran leaves

Iran has to face some tough choices, as recently Israeli operations in Syria have escalated from largely propaganda actions for domestic audiences to becoming significant militarily and politically. And the choices before Iran are difficult ones because Israel does enjoy a stronger position in this particular theater: it is close to Syria, operating from its borders; has the implicit cooperation or acquiescence of the Russians; and Bashar Assad himself is often threatened (even by the Russians) that he can be replaced/taken out if he doesn't exert pressure on Iran. Add other foreign actors involved, and the constraints Hezbollah is operating under right now in Lebanon, the fact that Iran itself has to worry about how any escalation could lead to a larger war with the US involved too, and the entire equation is a difficult one for Iran without that many ready made answers.

I don't know how Iran will decide to proceed, but ignoring the issue isn't helping. Withdrawing completely from Syria is also not going to help either, as that would simply move the theater operations closer to Iran. And simply retaliating against the strikes carries the risk that Israel will respond directly against Iran, forcing Iran to then retaliate in a way that would almost inevitably see the US dragged into the fighting, with the entire region up in flames. While, if no other choice is given to Iran, that is the one it will have to ultimately make, maybe Iran will find a better answer still.


https://news.yahoo.com/israel-vows-pursue-syria-operations-until-iran-leaves-204438390.html
Israel vows to pursue Syria operations until Iran leaves

 

Israel and Iran have been the 2 worst enemies for decades
I don’t see a peaceful resolution
Israel has become more aggressive under Trump but Iran is operating and moving weapons closer to Israel

 

It probably won’t end well, it never does.

 

Good Israel.

 

Won't end well for Iran.

 

June 8 you will have reason to celebrate. That marks the anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, murdering 34 sailors and wounding 170 something. Don't forget to wear your kippah during the celebration.

 

*rolls eyes*

 

What's better for the US? An Israeli middle-east or an Iranian middle-east. I believe we all know the answer.

 

Just a guess but is your national holiday November 4?

 

Time for some regime change in this great threat to global security.

 

Being a Brit I have recently began to become aware that the things we were doing as we were colonising the world were worse than disgusting. I am only getting snippits so far but they are beyond inhumanity. Just this morning I heard how we killed over one million Chinese in the Opium wars. Clearly we were a people without integrity, without humanity but somewhat crafty in our creations of weapons. We should not think the holocaust was all that unusual a thing. That was pretty much the norm of how Europe acted when it was about getting what it wanted from these sub humans. People say what shocked us with the holocaust was that the people who we were killing were white.

and so people are about continuing in this way. Destroying Iran and its people who we see as beneath us and in Israel using Covid 19 to annex 30 per cent of the West Bank continuing to take more of a people's home as has been being done since 48/67 and all approved of by people on this forum and the President of the United States. Israel's inhumanity towards the Palestinians, Israel's attitude towards them and its belief that it has the right to take their homes and murder them is just the old white thinking supported as it is by the head of the 'free (white) world'.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...on-and-reverse-its-colonisation-of-palestine/


https://consortiumnews.com/2020/05/...t-exploits-pandemic-to-annex-30-of-west-bank/

It is easy to see why agencies such as the UN are moving away from the West. We claimed we were going to change things after WW2 as we could see that how we acted, colonising other people and taking their land led to world wars which resulted in the killing of tens of millions of human beings...but we do not care any more. We have reverted to the most depraved mentality we have known, again and again screaming out that it is our right to act like this.

 

I think for the sake of peace, and for the Syrian people that Iran should move out. They made too many threats towards Israel to ever be trusted. Besides it isn't fair to Assad - who has a sense of gratitude for the sacrifices Iran made. If the political equation didn't exist, then Iran could be compensated in some way, but it's out of the question now.

Washington said that it will leave Syria if Iran leaves - and who knows, maybe they will keep their word. There's also Turkey, who wants a chunk of Syria - and there's no way to push them out unless Iran also leaves.

As for Israel getting closer, I don't think Russia would allow it. Of course that depends on the US keeping its promise and leaving.

 

Assad isn't interested in Iran remaining in Syria because of 'gratitude', but rather what he sees as being in Syria and Assad's best interests. Of course, the Russians -- who often used to dangle various ideas about Syria without Assad -- have been letting Assad know once again that if he doesn't stop his alliance with Iran, he is expendable.

This headline is misleading: there is no such agreement with Iran. But the salient points are the ones I quote from it.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200504-report-russia-turkey-iran-agree-to-remove-syrias-assad/
Report: Russia, Turkey, Iran agree to remove Syria’s Assad

LOL
This expectation has no basis in reality as it relates to Iran. It is only a reflection of what the Russians are negotiating with others behind the scenes.

There are many legitimate public opinion polls, including by anti-Assad western pollsters, and more, to reflect what people in Syria want. I will take the results from those polls (and any vote by the Syrian people, monitored by the UN in the manner Iran has long advocated) over any 'poll' by an organization affiliated to the Russian government.

While the report by TASS totally underestimates how much Assad has actually tried to appease the Russians, and focuses only on a few points where he has chosen his self-interest (and Syrian interests) to refuse to the pressures to have "Iran removed from Syria", the real gripe the Russians have with Assad is that he isn't entirely their stooge.

Iran may decide that the balance of forces in Syria no longer make its continuing presence their tenable, but I doubt it. Regardless, however, Russia is the last country any country or leader which has a legitimate say on the matter, would want to bank on for their protection. To put it bluntly, being allied to Russia has not been good for the health or well being of too many leaders in the past for anyone to suddenly decide otherwise now.

 

Of course, you "all" know the answer! But that is not the answer by the people in those countries where Iran is involved.
While Iran has no interest to take over the ME, and merely wants to make sure the region isn't taken over by US/Israel (or any other foreign power, including Russia), lets be clear: for most of recorded history, Iran has actually ruled over much of the Middle East and, save for a few centuries, even when Iran hasn't ruled the region outside its own borders, the regimes that have ruled, were those historians would consider "Persianate". And during all those times, the Middle East has been comparatively much better off than now.

 

Iran's position in Syria is not strong, mainly because Syria has become a place where everyone else (but the Syrian government and the majority of its people) shares one goal: removing Iran's presence from Syria. And with Iran already finding its plate full with other issues, including just beginning to cautiously reopen the country after the Covid-19 pandemic, and with a good chunk of its government (the Rouhani administration) never known to be shy in promoting appeasement against foreign powers, Iran might end up having to concede this fight.

Still, I wouldn't bet on it. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if, in a couple of years, we will find out Iran's position in Syria has begun to look even stronger than ever before. But if Iran does lose the fight in Syria, it will likely end up losing the fight in Iraq too. And in Lebanon as well. If all that happens, then those who want to fight Iran in Iran, will get their chance.

 

And when they are done there, an IDF special ops team should be sent to NYNY to protect Jews being harassed and assaulted by order of Mayor DeNazio

 

Everyone in the Syrian fight should lose except the Syrian people.

I have no problem with Israel ensuring it's saftey. I have no problem with the oil fields being secured so long as profits are held i trust for the Syrian people..
Everyone else should get the heck out..

 

The fight in Syria is about many things, and involves a lot of different actors, but one thing it isn't about is what you have/don't have problems with.

 

I always take people at their word until proven otherwise, and Putin said he will support any Syrian leader that the people vote for. I would be careful though in dealing with Russia; they don't give idle threats. They consider it a weakness. If they do say something, I certainly wouldn't question or test them. I'm just wondering how long they're going to put up with Turkey - but then again, Putin does have Erdogan on a lease.

As for Israel, almost 1/3 of the Israelis speak Russian, and many are Russian citizens. So Iran shouldn't expect any favors.

 

I have news for you, the US stole the oil fields and is using the money to support the Kurds but also the terrorists to keep the war going on. It doesn't want the oil money to go to the Syrian people, that way they won't be able to rebuild their country. As for Israel, it's distrusted by every nation in the Middle East - as is the US.

 

Iran isn't looking for 'favors' from Russia. The Russians will do what they have been doing all along: try to make deals at Iran's expense, while using their UN veto and some other things as a lever for such deals. Otherwise, Russia is the last country that Iran would ever want to look for favors.

As for Russian threats and, more significantly, Russian actions in Syria, I do think that Iran has lost Syria to the Russians. In a way, Iran made a mistake getting the Russians involved in the first place. The fight to defeat the collection of forces arrayed against Iran and Assad in Syria would have been a much tougher one for Iran to win without the Russians getting into the picture, but the victory (which would have come anyway) would have been more lasting.

But lets not overestimate the Russians (which you like to do): if they are winning in Syria, it is ONLY because Trump and the Russo-philes in Israel have been working to help set up the plate in their favor. Not because Trump is beholden to Putin (or all the other propaganda from the Democrats on this issue), but because there was a plan agreed to between the "Iran obsessed" Israelis, using some of their Russo-Israeli connections in Russia (many Russian oligarchs are dual Russian-Israeli citizens), and certain figures close to them around Trump as he was taking office, to come up with a plan to cede Syria to Russia in return for the Russians to kick out Iran from Syria (with the Russians promised some favors when it came to the Ukraine and sanctions - the latter something Trump wasn't able to deliver because of other special interests which like to keep Russia as the main bogey).

 

Does it really matter what's best for the US. Shouldn't it be what's best for the people living there? Every foreign nation should leave Syria with the exception of Russia, since they were explicitly invited by Assad. As long as foreign nations are there, civilians will die.

 

What is it with you and Russia? Listen: the only country which was actually invited to Syria by Assad was IRAN!! Even the Russians didn't get invited first by Assad, but by IRAN! In fact, the Iranian official who flew to Moscow to convince Russia to help out in Syria was none other than the late General Soleimani!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...yrian-assault-in-moscow-idUSKCN0S02BV20151006
How Iranian general plotted out Syrian assault in Moscow

 

I want to post the article below and interject my comments to help give anyone here interested in the reality of the fight in Syria a better picture of the issue. I especially want to remember the sacrifices of many 'actual Iranians" fighting an enemy that was implicitly (and explicitly sometimes) supported by those who have been obsessed with Iran for too long.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/e...-i-dont-buy-that-iran-is-leaving-syria-627084
Ex-IDF intelligence chief Yadlin: I don’t buy that Iran is leaving Syria

The "mix" of forces always had a small minority that was "actually Iranian" -- with the majority from other countries. The number of 'actual Iranians' in Syria dwindled to less than a 1,000 (probably even fewer) after the fight against Daesh (ISIS) had largely been won. The forces now in Syria, which are often called "Iranian" or "pro Iranian" by the Israelis, are mostly composed of units drawn from different nationalities with very few Iranians in the mix.

But that shouldn't be confused with the number of "actual Iranians" who fought -- and died -- against AQ/ISIS (and their various other brands and offshoots) during the height of the Syrian civil war.

The higher ranking officers killed during this period were typically killed as a result of information provided to ISIS and company by US and Israeli forces, who carried out assassinations and other type of operations targeting them specifically. One of them was General Shatteri, pictured below:


There were many others. In fact, until 2016, when Iran began deploying troops to Syria, most of Iran's casualties were high ranking officers serving in advisory role alongside Syrian military and Syrian allied forces drawn from Syria's Allawite community. These may have been killed by ISIS and related groups, but targeted based on information provided by those who were supposedly in Syria to help "moderate rebels" bring democracy to Syria against an (elected) "dictator", Bashar Assad. (Never mind in the forefront of that fight were some of the actual dictators in the region who have never known an election in their lives).

From 2016 until 2018, Iran began getting more directly involved, sending some troops (including special forces and paratroopers) to help the fighting.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iranian-special-forces-deploy-syria/
Iranian Special Forces deploy to Syria



During this period, the casualties began to involve plenty of younger officers and soldiers as well.

One of the most infamous cases involved a 25 year old Iranian officer, Mohsen Hojaji, who was beheaded in cold blood by ISIS and whose funeral was attended by hundreds of thousands of Iranians.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/world/a...-beheaded-by-IS-in-Syria-mourned-12234354.php
Iranian soldier beheaded by IS in Syria mourned as an icon
A video about his life, his funeral, and his beheading at the hands of ISIS.


Others who simply died in the fighting included:

Moslam Naser, member of 33rd al-Mahdi Airborne Brigade (special forces) who died in Syria fighting ISIS and company

Mohsen Gheytaslou, a member of Iran's 65th paratrooper brigade who died fighting ISIS and company in 2016.

Regardless of how they ended up getting killed, the sacrifices Iran has made in Syria weren't about handing the country to Putin and Russia. Nor was it ever about Iran taking over Syria. It was and remains about making sure the region is allowed to be ruled by its own people and leaders.

 

Nothing to say about the weekly rockets they fire to kill Jews??
You have much to learn