Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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    Can't find that quote in this link on Ben-Gurion's notorious quotes. Your link to that quote is .......

    https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

    And yet there are 2 million Arab Israeli citizens living in Gaza.

    And in fact the quote that you posted is fake.

    https://honestreporting.com/sourcing-quotes-the-pilger-way/
     
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    Wow! Just Wow! You really don't know what ethnic cleansing is. You really don't understand. The question is, "Do you want to understand?"
     
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    Dodge noted. Again video evidence ???
     
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    So your defense is not that it was said but that it was said in 1976 by the ruling party at that time about the Palestinian "citizens" currently peacefully living near Galilee.

    :roflol:

    Yep, the quote is far worse with that new perspective. Ben Gurion said and acted similarly however. Actions speak louder than words.
     
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    I gave all the evidence a sane person would need and then some.
     
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    It was never said.

     
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    Except for video of the IDF bulldozers.
     
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    After the Arabs rejected partition and began the war.
     
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    Many of the alleged statements of Israeli officials are inaccurate translations.
    What Did Top Israeli War Officials Really Say About Gaza?
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    The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2024/01 › isra...


    2 days ago — Journalists and jurists point to damning quotes from Israel's war cabinet as evidence of genocidal intent. But the citations are not what ...
     
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    Those fake quotes are fake news. But the Hamas charter is quoted word for word and clearly advocates and actually requires genocide of the Jewish people and complete destruction of the nation of Israel.
     
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    Gaza has been described as an open air prison. And that is accurate. However the reality is that Hamas has created this open air prison, not Israel as the pro Hamas and legacy media claim. And Hamas is aided by the Biden administration who refuses to put pressure on Egypt to open the Gaza - Egypt border to refugees. It's ironic that the Biden administration allows ~ 3 million illegals per year to cross the southern border of the US but won't open the Egypt border for any refugees to escape the hell hole created by Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

    The following is from the Wall Street Journal and is behind a paywall.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/americ...nt#:~:text=Every prolonged conflict,of a draw.
     
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    The targets of terrorists attacks have no duty to provide a refuge for declared enemies.

    Fact: All of the nations that have expressed support for Hamas or for the civilians in Gaza have barred refugees from entry.

    That is the Inconvenient Truth.

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    NPR
    https://www.npr.org › 2023/12/12 › egypt-israel-gaza-pa...
    Dec 12, 2023 — 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel, which killed 1,200 people, Israel says. Some 85% of Gaza's 2.3 million people have been internally displaced ...
    https://www.npr.org/2023/12/12/1218388766/egypt-israel-gaza-palestinians-hamas


    King Abdullah on Gaza: 'No refugees in Jordan ... upload_2024-1-23_9-34-22.png
    Reuters
    https://www.reuters.com › world › middle-east › king-ab...
    Oct 17, 2023 — Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday warned against trying to push Palestinian refugees into Egypt or Jordan, adding that the humanitarian ...
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...refugees-jordan-no-refugees-egypt-2023-10-17/
     
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    Gaza’s Ministry of Health = Propaganda = Fake News

    Can you produce any actual evidence that 25,000 have been killed?
     
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    All this stops when the world recognizes Israel is incapable of defeating Hamas, i.e., a resistance movement whose recruitment pool is now filled with tens of thousands of Gazan orphans and whose coffers are filling with Arab, Persian, and Turk dollars and weapons.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israe...man Rear Adm,separate attack in southern Gaza.

    "21 died when buildings collapsed after grenade attack Monday, Israel says, while 3 died elsewhere
    Thomson Reuters · Posted: Jan 23, 2024 1:01 AM PST | Last Updated: 1 hour ago"
     
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    https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/socialist-viewpoint-us/sept_03/sept_03_18.html

    "David Ben Gurion, Prime Minister of Israel 1949-1954, 1955-1963:


    "'We must expel Arabs and take their places.'—David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

    "'We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.'—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978."

    There is controversy over whether or not Ben Gurion ever spoke the last quote, but as far as I know, there is no disputing the first quote.

    https://www.camera.org/article/alex-awad-agrees-to-remove-fake-ben-gurion-quote-from-dvd/
     
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    The IDF are terrorists fighting to preserve a racist, apartheid state that's been a moral stain on this planet for the last 75 years. After 109 days the heroic Jews have been unable to secure northern Gaza; they should quit before Gazans voluntarily immigrate to the Galilee.

    https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/socialist-viewpoint-us/sept_03/sept_03_18.html

    "'Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.'—David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99"
     
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    I've already supplied two credible sources.
    Where are yours?
     
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    What, if anything, have Jews been doing wrong for the last 3000 years?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

    "The history of antisemitism, defined as hostile actions or discrimination against Jews as a religious or ethnic group, goes back many centuries, with antisemitism being called "the longest hatred".[1] Jerome Chanes identifies six stages in the historical development of antisemitism:[2]

    1. "Pre-Christian anti-Judaism in Ancient Greece and Rome which was primarily ethnic in nature
    2. Christian antisemitism in antiquity and the Middle Ages which was religious in nature and has extended into modern times
    3. Muslim antisemitism which was—at least in its classical form—nuanced, in that Jews were a protected class
    4. Political, social and economic antisemitism during the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Europe which laid the groundwork for racial antisemitism
    5. Racial antisemitism that arose in the 19th century and culminated in Nazism
    6. Contemporary antisemitism which has been labeled by some as the new antisemitism
    "Chanes suggests that these six stages could be merged into three categories: 'ancient antisemitism...'"
     
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    Again it is easy to verify a body count now. They even managed to do it before cell phones.



     
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    "Every death registered in Gaza is a verified change in the population registry approve (by) the government of Israel."

    "On 25 October, US President Joe Biden stated he had 'no confidence' in the death totals reported by the Gaza Health Ministry.[90][91]

    "In response, Human Rights Watch stated that after three decades working in Gaza and conducting its own investigation, it considers Gaza Health Ministry's totals to be reliable.[91]

    "Matthew Miller made a similar claim to Biden, despite the fact that the US Department of State cites the Gaza Health Ministry's death tolls in its own internal reports.[92]

    "On 26 October, the Gaza Health Ministry responded by releasing a 212-page document of 6,747 individual names and ID numbers, as well as 281 unidentified fatalities.[93]

    "The US State Department Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs told a Congressional hearing on 9 November that the death toll was 'very high, frankly, and it could be that they're even higher than are being cited.'[94]"

    "Every death registered in Gaza is the result of a verified change in the population registry approved the the Government of Israel."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war#Death_toll
     
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    Israel is defeating Hamas.
     
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    The only racist genocidal entity in Gaza is Hamas. This genocidal mission/obligation is so stated in the Hamas charter.
     

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