Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. AFM

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    The Irgun were not representative of the Palestinian Jews living in the British Mandate region. They were a militant underground organization opposed to the defense and restraint policies of the Haganah which started out as a loose organization of local defense militias but morphed into more of a "national" military organization. During 1936-1939, the years of the Arab Revolt were the years in which the Haganah matured and developed from a militia into a military body which were allies of the British. Although the British administration did not officially recognize the organization, the British Security Forces cooperated with it by establishing a civilian militia.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or...zel#:~:text=The Irgun was,Vladimir Jabotinsky.
     
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    Israel speaks out against the charge of genocide. To accuse Israel of genocide for defending itself when attacked in the most cruel and inhuman way is ridiculous. With this as a precedent any nation who defends itself from attack can be charged with genocide including the United States actions in WWII.

    This article is behind a paywall.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/intern...3#:~:text=Israel spoke in,consider the source.
     
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    Neither is faking a video.
     
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    No. The Palestinians rejected peace in 1948 in order to try to attain their goal via war. They have continued to reject peace and choose war ever since. Their problem is that they're not very good at it -- think of the burglars in Home Alone. They are now paying the price for 76 years of military incompetence and political foolishness.
     
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    Would you be upset if your land was stolen and then sold to foreigners, and then you became a second-class citizen? I know here in America, we would fight to our dying breath to kick out the invaders.
     
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    No land was stolen. The UN partitioned the territory to create two states where there had been none. The Israelis accepted the partition; the Palestinians chose war instead.
     
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    So you’re saying there’s no distinction between Palestinians and Hamas. Glad one of you finally admitted it.
     
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    that’s like saying there are no differences between US soldiers and civilians. Do you not understand the difference between civilians and military personnel?
     
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    do you? You’re the one saying the Palestinians are the same as Hamas when usually you Hamas supporters like to protect your warriors by claiming Palestinian civilian distinction.
     
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    The ICJ rules that Israel has a right to defend itself and that Israel's goal of eradication of Hamas is correct. It also demands that all the hostages held by Hamas be released in a safe manner.

    The following article is behind a paywall.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...ined,rule that Israel was committing genocide.
     
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    "Netanyahu's Likud Ministers, Far-right MKs to Attend Israeli 'Gaza Resettlement' Conference
    Several Israeli lawmakers are due to attend the 'victory conference' in Jerusalem next Sunday, claiming the occupation and resettlement of former Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip 'as the only thing that will bring security."

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...t-confab/0000018d-3b1e-d35c-a39f-bb5e38070000

    Complicity in genocide and planning ethnic cleansing make Israel's claims of self-defense as credible as " a land without a people for a people without a land."
     
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    They are correct. The only way that Gazan civilians can enjoy safety, security, and economic prosperity again is for Israel to eradicate Hamas from Gaza and for Israel to control Gaza again.
     
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    Gaza, operates like a pirate ship under the command of Hamas. The pirate leaders sacrifice civilians to keep the loot rolling in.

    “The top three leaders of Hamas, a Palestinian militant group that controls the Gaza Strip, have amassed a fortune of $11 billion, while living in luxury in Qatar, a wealthy Gulf state that provides financial aid to the Palestinian cause.” 11/13/23.

    How Hamas leaders live in luxury while Gaza suffers
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    The top three leaders of Hamas, a Palestinian militant group that controls the Gaza Strip, have amassed a fortune of $11 billion, while living in luxury in Qatar, a wealthy Gulf state that
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...live-in-luxury-while-gaza-suffers/ar-AA1jImNv
     
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    Jews resorted to terrorism to drive the British from Palestine in order to precipitate ethnic cleansing in 1948. It's hardly surprising they are committing ethnic cleansing (again) as well as conspiracy to commit genocide in Gaza today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine

    "A successful paramilitary campaign was carried out by Zionist underground groups against British rule in Mandatory Palestine from 1944 to 1948.

    "The tensions between the Zionist underground and the British mandatory authorities rose from 1938 and intensified with the publication of the White Paper of 1939.

    "The Paper outlined new government policies to place further restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchases, and declared the intention of giving independence to Palestine, with an Arab majority, within ten years."
     
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    Which amounts to ethnic cleansing and conspiracy to commit genocide. Why would anyone believe Jews are that special?
     
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    What it amounts to is saving the lives of Gazan citizens and allowing them the opportunity for safety, security, and economic prosperity.
     
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    Those were the Irgun - see my post upthread.
     
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    Many Gazan civilians tired of the two decades of conflict with Israel initiated by Hamas and the civilian casualties resulting from Hamas locating launch sites in populated areas and using human shields are turning against Hamas.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ing/#:~:text=I wouldn’t pretend,a barren land.


    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...:text=Overthrowing a government,had it coming


    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/opin...alestinians-oppose-terror-mohammed/index.html


    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...0#:~:text=When news of,this terrible vortex.”
     
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    Here is some history on the takeover of Gaza by Hamas after Israel left in 2005. And again information on the lack of support for Hamas from the Gazan civilians.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opin...~:text=In Gaza’s legislative,anti-Muslim hate.
     
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    Why not eliminate the source of the violence?
    Israel is a racist, Jewish-supremacist state born of settler-colonialism and ethnic cleansing. There are roughly equal numbers of Jews and non-Jews living between the River and the sea; it's time to bring representative democracy to all of Palestine by ending the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

    https://bdsmovement.net/iaw
     
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    The source of violence is Hamas.
     
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    I don't support Hamas or the IDF. I support sparing Palestinian and Israeli civilian lives at ANY cost, even if that includes not a single member of Hamas is brought to justice. It doesn't matter in the least. ALL that matters is compassion and humanity. Israel can defend themselves without massacring civilians.
     
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    If you are serious about saving lives you would be 100% behind Israel’s goal to eradicate Hamas from Gaza.
     
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    Hamas doesn’t spare civilians. Protecting them with your compassion is only guaranteeing future civilian death and from that more violence and war.

    Your compassion is the problem. Stop guaranteeing future war.
     
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    Oh yeah, because killing 25,000 civilians is "saving lives". You only care about Israeli lives.
     

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