It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat

Ohhhh, you mean actual OVERSIGHT! I didn't think there was anyone left that believed that was a real and honest thing anymore!!

Be a bro, you hear tale of that goose that lays the golden eggs, lemme know, please..

 

I'm claiming ending aid would mean something pretty devastating to the world. So continuing aid is the only alternative to a nuclear armed Putin deciding what country to invade next. Admittedly, there are no good alternatives when dealing with a madman willing to burn it all down in order not to lose.

 

So are you admitting that the war is unwinnable, and we're just paying to have people thrown into a meatgrinder?

 

U.S. Assistance to Ukraine and Oversight

Strong oversight of U.S. assistance to Ukraine is important to ensure the continued support of Congress and the American people. It is important for Ukraine and the Biden administration to show clearly where the assistance is going and the impact that this assistance is having on the war. These are tasks that the OIGs at the DOD, State Department, and USAID are well equipped to handle. This is particularly true of economic and humanitarian assistance, which are two categories that have more difficulty showing clear, tangible outcomes. Security assistance—largely in the form of weapons and other military equipment—is having a clear and visible impact on the war. The DOD also has strong safeguards in place that allow it to easily track the flow of weapons, ammunition, and other equipment from point of delivery to Ukraine until they find their way into the field.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/ensuring-oversight-us-aid-ukraine

Will some arms and financial aid be stolen? Of course.

 

As long as Ukrainians are willing to fight off Russia we should continue sending aid. Allowing Putin to take it will only embolden him followed with the slaughter and devastation of another country.

 

But the war is unwinnable right?

 

Why go through all the nonsense posting all that when your last sentence proves my point

You're welcome..

 

Ukrainians don't think so. Have you thought all at about the consequences of abandoning them, allowing their fate to be decided by a ruthless dictator who will have Zelensky, his entire government, and who knows how many more assassinated?

 

Proves your point? Congratulations Capt. Obvious.

 

Was that your new sign off handle?

Anyway, thanks Capt!

 

Yes I have. The results would not be pretty. Unfortunately the results would be far worse than if we had never gotten involved in the first place; this whole thing would have been in history's rear view mirror. However have you thought about the consequences of funding an unwinnable war? Ukraine can't win, but they can go through an entire generation of young men and cripple any chance of growth; for generations. I don't know that I would want that on my, or my country's conscious. If there was some US national security interest in this, then sure, I would gladly sacrifice another country to save my own, but there isn't one, there is only money to be made for a few select individuals.

 

Maybe it's time the U.N. countries closest to the this war send in troops as a sign of solidarity with Ukraine? Clearly cash and hardware isn't getting the job done. At some point there will be no one left to fight this endless waste of life and American treasure.

 

There’s so much going on behind the scene…, and what the average joe isn’t supposed to know…. we should realize nothing is cut and dried about this.

 

You can be sure, a great many people are pocketing a great amount if money!

 

I ‘liked’ your post because I’m all for lining the pockets of elites with money from our pockets.

 

He'll ya, anything for our leaders, it's what I/we live for

 

Often it’s not by choice, but we gotta play our role.

 

Should I assume the message you want to send to our adversaries is when the cost of helping our allies is deemed to be too high we will step aside and allow them to be slaughtered?

"Ukraine can't win, but they can go through an entire generation of young men and cripple any chance of growth; for generations. I don't know that I would want that on my, or my country's conscious."

And there we have an essential difference of opinion. What I wouldn't want on my conscience is knowing I abandoned an ally and in so doing consigned it to generations of stifling oppression by a dictatorial regime.

 

No, your first assertion, in your OP was that Russia was "winning" the war. You continued that assertion in your following posts and sill believe "Russia" is winning the war. Your definition, that as long as Russia has soldiers in uniform fighting "the good fight" and so forth, that is winning. I guess you got that definition from the movie the Battle of the Bulge in which the character Col. Hessler, after being confirmed he will receive a decoration from Adolf Hitler himself, telling his sergeant, that "we have won the war." The sergeant said, "so I can go home now?" Hessler said no, and began to explain that as long as we are in uniform, and our sons and grandsons are in uniform, then we are winning the war. Thus, I said it is a quagmire, not winning or losing, nor a stalemate since no one has met their objectives.

Second, I don't think anyone has an idea of how either Russia or Ukraine can win its objectives, not Putin, not Zelensky, not the US General Staff, not anyone. The Ukrainian Counteroffensive did capture some territory that Russia took in the early days of the war, but that does not define strategic victory, but a tactical victory, even a minor one. What may happen is both sides will try offenses such as what Ukraine with both sides suffering heavy caulties winning and losing territory over the year. To put the Ukranian war in persective, even after the Battle of Midway, Guadalcanal, or even Iwa Jima, we, the US, didn't know who would win the war at that time. But hindsight is everything, is it? Thus your question about mapping out a scenario in which Ukraine will win is quite frankly pointless and truly shows, that despite being in the military, you do not have a grasp, a firm grasp, on military doctrines and the overall picture of what a strategic or tactical victory is. You are also ignoring hundreds, if not thousands of years, of military history when even their own commanders did not know how the war would end as they were conducting it. But that is the luxury of hindsight, which you fail to grasp.

That being said, I concluded that the only way for both sides to claim "victory" is to do a damn peace deal. This peace deal must return all if not most, including Crimea, back to Ukraine. There could be an exception for the Donestk region of the Russian-speaking enclave as independent nations, but they would be practically surrounded by Ukraine. If that is the case, the peace deal must include the free flow of goods and trade from those countries, through Ukraine, to Crimea or whatever their final destination is. they would be heavily reliant on Russian support and supplies for that to happen, as they are now dependent on Russia for those economic necessities. It will also mean the EU and the US must recognize those countries and allow the new countries entrance into the UN as a sovereign nation AND be free to decide as a nation their next course of action. That is what I mapped out. And it will not be in favor of Putin's idea that Ukraine is subject to Moscow's whim or as an external province of the former USSR.

But that is also the problem. Putin does not see Ukraine, and quite frankly, neither do you, as a sovereign nation, independent of Moscow's bidding. He is bitter that Ukraine decided in 1992, after the Berlin Wall fell, to become independent, which is what most of the former Soviet Republics did. And his overall goal is not only to reassert Russian influence to its neighbors, he wants the former Soviet Republics to be in Moscow's corner as well in order to assert that influence. Thus, Ukraine is vital to Putin's philosophy to the other former Soviet Republics and why Ukraine is vital to US Interests to not allow that to happen to the former Soviet Republics, whether they belong to NATO or not.

 

So you are against legal immigration now? RLMAO on that comment.

Neither group is an invasion. For undocumented immigrants, it is something that is complicated and not part of this thread. For legal immigrants, they have "gone through the hoops" and were approved by USCIS, State Department, and through the BOE at the airports or elsewhere.

 

The problem is "fixable" whether one or both sides know it or not. The main issue is intentions by Putin and no one else. By all logic, he should have never invaded. He misjudged the weakness in Ukraine, in NATO, and specifically in the US with our "obsession" with China.

Right now, the only viable solution is a peace deal, but Putin does not want a peace deal, unless if gives him everything he wants. And that is also no realistic.

 

I deny that a popularity contest has anything to do with what I asked you to do, which is to formulate an argument.

Instead, we get more copy/paste.

Let's see if you eventually get to an idea you formulated yourself.

 

The number of people protesting isn't germane to the point of why the judicial reforms are bad, at all. Any moron can protest things they don't understand.

Look at your responses so far.

You've come up with exactly zero reasons as to why the judicial reforms are wrong, or bad, or undesirable.

All you've done is copy/paste a bunch of opinions posted by other people who also don't explain why the reforms are bad.

That's the entire reason that dumb people, like the people that wrote these articles, have dumb opinions.

So far I've seen zero rational explanations from you, and most likely never will.

 

You may be upset by opinions that cite substance.

The corrupt, incompetent, authoritarian Bibi is a goner.

Facing a huge wave of criticism over his failure to prevent the shock Hamas infiltration of Israel on Oct. 7, Netanyahu has largely avoided the limelight while conducting a two-front war, one against Hamas and the other for his own political survival.

Netanyahu, 74, has long maintained an image as a security hawk, tough on Iran and backed by an army that ensured Jews would never again suffer a Holocaust - only to experience on his watch the deadliest single incident in Israel's 75-year-old history...

Known by his nickname "Bibi," Netanyahu stands to gain from a war that further delays his 3-1/2 year-old corruption trial and puts off an expected state inquiry into why Israel under his leadership was caught off guard.

But his biographer Anshel Pfeffer said: "No matter how long Netanyahu manages to hold on to power, he won’t salvage his reputation.

"He is now tainted irretrievably by the failure to prevent the Oct. 7 massacre, by his own strategy of allowing Hamas to remain in control, with its military arsenal, in Gaza and by the utterly inept civil relief efforts of his government since the Oct. 7 attack."...

[https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-hamas-his-own-political-survival-2023-11-27/]​

 

Shall I assume you are a dishonest poster who violates the forum rules by editing my replies?