It's possible that election fraud may be way bigger than thought

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In Dallas County, Texas, a deep red county, there was a sudden, unexpected blue wave in 2018. The computer logs revealed that ES&S technicians repeatedly overrode thousands of error codes for "time stamp mismatch" and "votes exceed ballots." Essentially, they replaced votes ... the secretive poll-counting, the cemetery voters, the ballot dumps - is a distraction. The real issue is that the important changes are happening at the level of computer tabulation.​

    According to the article, in many cases foreign companies are in charge of handling the computer tabulation from local US elections. Something that could be potentially very concerning.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...tion_fraud_is_way_bigger_than_we_thought.html
     
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    But since 'American Thinker"s ideology obviously places "freedom" above "fairness", I for one am not convinced about the veracity of the article. A job for the SC? No? So who?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're changing the topic now. Something that's unfair for the second post.

    But I will answer your question.
    Someone will (or would) have to make a case, and do so quickly, in front of all of the state legislatures concerned.

    Something that may be difficult because there's not much time between when elections are held and when the Electoral College casts their votes.

    Most likely such a thing is not going to happen.
     
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    Trump lost, it's over....
     
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    A county in Michigan found that their voting machines 'glitched' resulting in a Republican candidate losing his board of commissioner position by ~100 votes when he actually won it by 10x that much. It has been corrected.

    ...and its not likely the only one.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most likely the states that handed his opponent victory are not going to decide they want to reexamine their election counts.
     
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    I will agree that all votes should have a paper copy and be scanned and then a manual count and a computer count done

    then at the end we compare the counts, if they do not match, find out why - said the same when Trump won

    maybe both repubs and dems can agree with me and implement by 2022, I been saying this sense Kerry got negative votes

    but the company name Diebold that promised Bush the election changed their name right, so that means everything is better, the negative votes Kerry got were just a fluke </end sarcasm>
     
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    It's possible likely that election fraud may be way bigger than thought

    ~ Yup ...
     
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    you mean the republican States he flipped?

    yeah, sure republicans there gave Biden the win.... not hardly
     
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    Iirc, Diebold had to sell off one of their larger voting machine companies in an anti-trust suit.

    The company that bought it from them is at the epicenter of the 'glitches' being investigated right now in Georgia.
     
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    I'll point out that some of these Republican leaders in some of these "Republican states" would prefer to see a Biden Presidency.
    They typically do not advertise this fact to their voters.
     
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    I really wish Republicans had voted on one of the election security bills Democrats sent them, don’t you? Maybe Democrats can address it now that Republicans have nothing to gain by holding it up.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're sort of changing the topic, but it really depends on the details of exactly what was in these proposed laws.
    Would they have really addressed the specific problem issues that would be relevant here?
     
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    Yep....

    "Diebold Voting Machine Company Changes Name to Improve Image"

    https://www.kpbs.org/news/2007/aug/21/diebold-voting-machine-company-changes-name-to/

    "“Premier Election Solutions ” is the new name for the Diebold subsidiary that makes electronic voting machines. Its technology was decertified by California’s Secretary of State, and the company’s political impartiality was compromised when CEO Walden Odell promised in 2003 to deliver Ohio to Bush."
     
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    If the article from American Thinker is anything other than an ideology-based conspiracy theory, then I'm amazed the Repubs haven't already enlisted the Koch Brothers to fund the necessary court cases.
     
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    if anything, Trump tried to cheat and steal the election and failed, so he thinks the other side did too
     
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    Proving that the two-party, adversarial, 'blind-leading-the-blind', neoliberal 'democracies' are beyond a joke....
     
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    Apparently 'Premier' was acquired by 'Dominion' which is being blamed for thousands of Trump votes in one county (so far) switching to Biden.

    Its used in 30 states.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.co...corrected-to-trump-when-fixed/comment-page-4/
     
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    List what sources you trust and I'll find out for you whether they reported on Premier by Diebold 'glitching' for Bush and whether they're reporting now on Premier by Dominion 'glitching' for Biden.
     
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    Its not 'one' glitch. Its the same glitch from 20 years ago, from the same company (under 'new' ownership- shall we take bets on how many directors the boards of these companies share?) 'glitching' for the other side.

    It doesnt prove anything, but it strongly suggests systemic fraud, or at the very least, astonishing incompetence.
     
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    You sow what you reap. The US government should properly fund its own elections. Geez.

    Including banning all private donations. And an education system capable of teaching citizens how to think for themselves. No-one needs mindless attack ads telling them how to vote. Madness.
     
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    that was fake news, they entered it wrong and because the tallies are kept in the local level as well as the state level, it was caught quickly

    both sides monitor for just for those kinda errors with a fine tooth comb, they happen every election, that's why both sides monitor them
     
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    the glitch from 20 years ago was someone setting the machine with negative votes for Kerry, on a machine that was made by someone promising the election to Bush..... not the same

    if anything that would give Biden negative votes
     
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    It was Republicans that APPROVED these voting machines that do NOT have separate paper audit trails, like most cash registers do, that enable one to CROSS CHECK the machine tally to the printout.

    The fact that they PAID for these machines that are now causing them problems is the Law of Unintended Consequences coming back to bite them on the ass.

    Personally I have never trusted them and if it was up to me all voting machines would require that you enter a valid SSN that is cross checked to a database to ensure that it was only used once per election. Individuals would have internet access to the database for their own votes so that they could validate that they were correctly recorded.

    The same system would automatically count the ballots as they are entered. A parallel database using the same source data, but secured OFFLINE, would be used as an Audit Trail and cross check to the ONLINE database. That would eliminate the risk of hacking since both systems would need to be compromised.

    But that would ENSURE free and fair elections which would UNDERMINE the Republicans ability to SUPPRESS the votes of MINORITIES so they will OBSTRUCT it being implemented.
     

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