Jacob Blake makes court appearance from hospital bed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54036131

“Mr Blake, who is in hospital paralysed, is accused of criminal trespass, sexual assault and disorderly conduct based on statements by his former girlfriend.
The criminal complaint was filed in July, and is unrelated to the shooting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on 23 August.
A trial over the complaint is set to begin later this year.
According to the criminal complaint, Mr Blake is accused of sexually assaulting a woman in May.
The woman told officers that Mr Blake, 29, took her car keys and a debit card before fleeing the scene.
According to Kenosha County District Attorney's Office, these were the charges Mr Blake was wanted for at the time of the 23 August shooting.”

So another hardly innocent man has been venerated.

Why all this sympathy for violent criminals?

 

Black Privilege.

 

People are going to respond that he didn’t deserve to be shot and maybe that is true but can anyone really feel sorry for a sexual assaulter and thief and criminal trespasser who was resisting arrest?

 

He deserved to be killed by law enforcement. They missed.

 

It looks like he will be tried for his crimes. The cop will be tried too and will have to be found guilty by some hand wringing judge or angry at all white cops jury. Fear of riots is now driving the American judicial system process.
Remember when bullies used to be dealt with?
Now they are rewarded.

 

There is no question that in any just society a man who is no threat who is shot is murdered if killed or in this case would appear to have life changing injuries. In both cases the person committing the violence has committed a crime. If your State supports such action then it appears to be a Police State.

In socieites which believe in justice, people are taken to court and evidence is produced and a judgement is made as to whether the person is innocent or guilty. We do not know whether he is guilty or how serious the actions were if he is. There could be other reasons the woman made these accusations. We have not heard the man's side of the story. A trial in court is needed to try and find the truth. Unfortunately in this the US also falls below standards which are needed in societies which are not Police States. You yourself are not that wrong in immidiately claiming he is guilty as that is the way 'justice' in the US works. Given that the girl has made these complaints, the police will arrest him and give him the choice of a very long sentence for things he may be innocent of or the possibility of going to court where he will be found guilty and receive an even longer sentence.

The US allows Police to kill at will and does not give people a fair trial. It is a Police State.

 

The US does not allow the police to kill at will.
The imprisonment of Chauvin and others should be ample evidence of this.
The Blake shooter has also been relieved of command and will likely be tried. Probably properly.
I am not speaking of the legalities involved anyway but rather of the fact that the man shot was a wretched man and I don’t have a scintilla of sympathy for him. I share this feeling as far as Floyd is concerned.

 

Really? It certainly seems so for someone coming from a country where the citizens do not support police violence. The imprisonment of police officers killing has only started because of the protests. Something Trump and his minions are wanting to stop. Giving someone life changing injuries is pretty much as serious a crime as killing.,How often are police held to account for their killings. Very little it appears. I believe you are a Police State.

How the hell do you know he was a 'wretched man'. I get that you don't have a scintilla of sympathy for him. In this way the US has managed to get its citizens to accept the indiscriminate killing and giving life changing imjuries to its citizens and agreement to the ending of justice for its citizens through trial by Jury. One day it could be you or someone you are close to.

 

First of all I am in the Netherlands and not the US but I lived in the US most of my life so I know the score there.
I too have encountered belligerent police there but I had the good sense not to evade or badger them as that would serve no good purpose.
Yes, warrants were served on him for at least three separate crimes so you go ahead and feel sympathy for him. Venerate him as a victim. I would rather venerate his victims.
By the way what kind of father leads police with guns drawn to a car with his children inside?
What is your definition of a wretched human being?
Are African Americans not capable of being wretched by virtue of being African American?
There are wretched people in every race. This Michael shooter in Portland is a prime example of a white wretched person for example.

 

You are correct. Not only is it a police state, most people do not care one bit what happens to minorities, especially males, at the hands of rogue cops and will believe just about anything negative about them without benefit of due process. Just look at all the responses about the kid that took a gun to a protest LOOKING FOR TROUBLE and this one. It's amazing to me how people will argue that racism doesn't exist. It not only exists, it's so institutionalized that it's "a given".

 

Ah, the degenerate 'Left' has yet another violent low life street thug they can worship. How Special. LOL the silly 'Police State' hyperbole is just perfect as usual. Keep up the 'good work'; it wins Trump more votes every time the criminal fans open their mouths.

If these Darwin Award winners were actually 'Afraid Of The Police' they wouldn't behave like such ***** around them, nor would they be rioting and looting at will in Democrat controlled cities. They're out for Bling and big lawsuits promised them by a gang of lawyers who help promote the violence along with the Democratic Party and their media, trying to create the false impression its some huge uprising when its just some imported thugs for hire running around the country.

 

lol

 

That may not be so. In the past few years the US police have been highly militarised. As far as them killing innocent people this almost seems to be the norm. Kill first ask questions later even if this is a woman sleeping in her bed. You may have had a choice. That is not true of everyone.....and that you would feel you had to walk on eggshells around your own police is itself not good. It makes it seem like they are a danger to the public rather than the opposite way round and that is certainly how I have heard some black people talk about it - not complaining, just saying that they know what sort of face to put on, what to say even if they have done nothing to avoid becoming dead before their time.

The US Police Unions have worked so that it is almost impossible for them to be held to account for bad behaviour which obviously is why they are engaging in it so often. Apparently the Officer who killed Floyd had several serious complaints against him, only one of which he was ever held to account and even then the punishment was trivial - something like losing a days pay.

I do not know the person. It is not about his situation. It is not about him personally. It is about the American Police having a free hand (read what I put earlier) to cause life changine injuries or to kill people and the right of people in the US to trial by a Jury of their peers. It is about the reality that the US, now a tool of Corporate Power has become a Police State, something which people had decided should end.

I am arguing against police brutality. You are stuck on your hatred of the individual, your fantasies as to what he has done, arguably to calm your conscience in accepting that Police cause life changing injuries and death to people who are no threat to them and hence the US is totally against International Law and with that among the least free.

Why he was going to his car, and from the bit I saw the police did not mind him going to his car, just shot him when he got there but why he was going there would be one of the things those prosecuting the police and defending them would need to look into.

I don't believe I have ever called someone that but to do so to someone you know virtually nothing about is simply bias.

Hmm I am asure they would be very interested to discover you call them wretched. The putting together of an ethnic group and giving them a negative name is prejudice.

'white'? Oh my you give yourself away. You do not know this man. You show yourself to be someone who judges books by their cover and his bias.

 

Michael the Portland shooter made a video where he admitted and justified his murder of an innocent man. I don’t need to know him to know he is a callous murderer (I never knew Pol Pot either but I know he was a wretched human being.)

Michael regularly showed up fully armed to these protests.

Yes I do hate him as an individual. I’m glad he is dead.

Michael shot a man to death. A man who supported the police. Do you feel his actions were justified?

 

The officers in the Blake Jacob shooting have suspended with pay, and so far, have not been charged with anything. Personally I doubt they ever will be charged. After all the investigations have been completed, I would expect that the Officers return to work. Why? Because they touched all the bases. The attempted to subdue the suspect, they tried to used non-lethal force, they shouted commands that the suspect ignored and they did not shoot until the suspect reached for a weapon. The officers simply did what they were supposed to do. They even rendered first aid to the suspect that kept him alive.

 

Time will tell. If the anger toward the police continues in Kenosha, the police department will be under tremendous pressure to review the cop badly. If he goes to trial and the public is still angry then a guilty verdict will be manufactured.
This is the new normal in the US: guilt by public sentiment.
Another of the reasons I left.

 

If the deaths of the white men shot by police were nationally publicized as much as the deaths of black men are, you would find zero difference in public sympathy for those men who had a long criminal record. There are twice as many white men killed and if we heard about what they were doing before getting shot, we'd hear the same "He deserved it," from the same people.

There's a reason only 25% of people killed by police make the national news and that reason is not racism. It's politics.

 

The reason he was going to his car is unknown. However, immediately before that the police had unsuccessfully tried to restrain him on the ground on the passenger side of the car and had tazed him. He managed to break free, and while it looks like he is casually walking to the driver's door instead of running, police had reason to believe that he was either going for a weapon or to flee the scene.

 

I think that if every white policeman were removed and replaced by Asian or Black policemen the rate of police killing of African Americans would remain the same.
This sounds horrible I know but African Americans are disproportionately killed by police because they disproportionately commit more crimes.

 

Michael regularly brought lethal weapons to protests. How is he less guilty or reviled than Kyle?

What is the standard?

 

This thread is not on him, though possibly on the same thinking. You like things to be black and white. They rarely are. First we do not have the objective details of what happened. Most is hearsay. I heard him saying he be believed he had to do this to save the person with him. Now I will agree that this guy did sound like someone with problems and yet again I do not know him well enough but, and I think this is important, it is true that there already had been shooting by the right wing extremists towards the protesters. Of course in that one the guy was arrested after killing two and injuring one. I thought it was him you were talking about.

Anyway he, Micheal, apparently believed he saw the man going to his pocket and at that moment due to the contents of his mind, believed they were in peril and shot. I think it is probably accurate that he did believe that. In that he was as bad as police who are forever killing people claiming they might have a weapon when they do not so he should not have killed this man. Although he liked to identify himself with ANTIFA he admitted he was not a member. Had he been he might have learned how to deal with things better. They have not yet killed anyone. He comes over to me as having maybe not the most stable mind but I believe he might well have thought he and his friend were in danger. Again this is as bad as when the police do likewise.

The other problem that the protesters are having is that the police are siding with the right wing. Hell Trump is siding with the guy who killed two protestors and injured one. I have red a bit about the Michael man. He had a job trying to keep order and protect people. He would have done better not carrying a gun but there again he was up against those with guns. For Pacifist protest he did not live up to the mark.

You do not know this man. You do not know his motications. The best you can do is guess. Time and again on this forum I hear right wingers arguing about their right to carry a gun. I think what has annoyed people here is that this apparently leftist person has done the same. I will be interested to see if there is going to be an Independent inquiry into his death so that we can know whether this was the police committing extra judicial murder or not. When you allow yourself to hate someone you harm yourself

I am trying to remember. Did the man he shot have pepper spray and that was what he was going to his pocket to get and Michael thought was a gun? If we presume that he was being honest when he said he believed this guy was about to kill his friend then his motivation was as he said to save his friends life. If that is true then by intention he probably was justified. I believe the one time you have the right to kill if need be is if your own life is threatened. If that was the situation then we was as guilty as a cop who honestly thinks a person has a gun is when they shoot that person. However it appears he and his friend were not in danger of their lives as far as we know. We don't really know whether the guy would have engaged in violence after he threw the pepper.

Here is the thing,. This is a very complicated situation where one group of your society is now up against another group and where they have set up militians, 500 now I think and are going after those they consider left wingers or those engaging in their democratic right to protest. This is an explosive situation which has been created. Yesterday I was seeing cops helping people get organised who then drove the car they were in into protestors.

The reason why courts were invented was so that we did not have the extrajudical executions we appear to have had acted on this man. If you had proper courts, then a jury would be able to hear both sides of the story before coming to their conclusion. You and I cannot do that because we do not know that. The US has given up the right to Trial by a Jury of your peers and the extreme right are currently are engaging in Milita action against protestors supported by the Police. In that situation might someone who wants to be big and a protector and I also read positive things about this man, decide he was not going to sit by and see someone killed. Very probably. It is an intense situatuan. Now a trial would have been able to look into all those things but instead it certainly looks like there has been extra judicial murder even if you are glad this man is dead.

 

It's hard not to miss the irony and, to some extent, the cynical humor of watching the DNC's platform of tribalism and division work against itself.

Tribes must compete to be the "most special tribe" and the ordering and hierarchy of "the most special tribe" changes due to the political expediency and potential ability to gain public sympathy and also to create voter division.

In the summer of 2018, "the most special tribe" was #MeToo, #IBelieveHer, and #BelieveAllWomen". A women claiming to have been harassed or sexually assaulted at any point in her life was to be believed with no proof except her word against his.

Today, women have fallen out of grace as "the most special tribe", and #MeToo has been overshadowed by #BlackLivesMatter. Being a sexual predator suddenly does require proof and a trial. For the left, being shot by police and black, trumps any now problematic belief in women.

We've got Joe Biden sitting by an accused sexual predator's bedside and creating his public political sympathy rally in a church with the alleged criminal's family in order to score political points and win the presidency.

The day Blake was shot, it was a woman who called 911,. She specifically named Jacob Blake and said he was at her house and was not supposed to be there, would not leave, and that he had taken her car keys and would not give them back to her. I wonder if she is on the side of #BelieveAllWomen or #AllCopsHuntBlackMen?


Strange times in which we live.

 

What don’t you understand? Michael admitted to the murder proudly. Yes I am glad he is dead.
Look at the video again, Michael ran toward these men and shot one of them to death claiming he was protecting himself and some phantom person of color who is not even seen among them! Then he ran away.
Even if they were throwing pepper spray which is a fact not in evidence, is that a capital crime?
His “job” was to protect these people with a weapon illegal under Oregon law?
Did he have an open carry permit or is this even possible for such a weapon under Oregon law?
Then I could get into social distancing that was wildly unobserved but why pile on?
So do you support Michael’s murdering or not? Do you think he did the right thing?

 

These are the statistics.

 

What a world we live in when "facts sound horrible", eh?

...and you are correct about the officers' color unlikely changing the outcome. Police are trained by the city to do a job the way they are trained to do a job. If the city says they can use lethal force against someone fleeing the scene, then those are the rules and instructions they're following, regardless of the skin tone of the officer. The officer who shot Blake is a very dark-skinned Hispanic. As soon as his name was identified and photo posted all over social media, "White Hispanic" started trending on Twitter. Cognitive dissonance explosion!