Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

You are a self avowed anarchist so im sure the lefties appreciate your support /snicker

 

Actually, an internationalist alliance system caused WWI. Without that it would have been a petty regional war. And WWII was caused near entirely by repressive defeat terms imposed by the precursor to the UN.

Nationalism is not authoritarian nationalism.

 

GOOD!

Brazil needs a big clean up. A lot of thugs and other trash needs to go.
I like Brazil from the time of Bosa Nova.

 

I caught up on this by watching German DW TV. I am so happy at last that Brazil has a leader that has no record of being corrupted. And a long record of service in the congress of Brazil. Sure he is not bending towards the socialist class, but they say in two months when he takes office, we should then learn what he will do. Will he truly hit the left hard or was that to win office?

Brazil has had two presidents impeached. It is time for a peoples president to run the country.

They may have at last got a keeper.

Brazil ran by the left is a mess. That is why the people there came up with a new leader.

 

Bannon has not come close to trying to put fascism into the USA. As to him doing it in Europe, it takes nuts to embrace fascism. If there are nuts in Europe, then woe is them.

 

If you are supporting the move towards fascism in the US, then of course you will be supporting it everywhere else as well. Haaretz makes a point of saying the US Evangelicals are in this. I do not know whether that is the reason you are fueling spin on this or whether it is because you have been conned by the spin.

Like Trump supporters in the US and fascism traditionally, he has a prime hatred of 'the left'

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https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...scism-far-right-fernando-haddad-a8606391.html
It is going to be interesting watching who of Trump's America support fascism in Brazil. I would expect a lot, though of course some people, possibly you will have bought the spin and be misled.

 

You do realize that constantly calling people you don't like Fascists or Nazi's is one of the main reason people are fleeing the Left, right?

You guys aren't even trying to have conversations anymore, you are personally attacking anyone who is not lock step in your ideology. You are losing support because of this world wide, the pompous attitude that you have a higher moral authority than anyone else is something that is being rejected wholly.

If you and people like you don't tone down your rhetoric, more and more governments will be pushed further and further to the Right.

And you can put most of the blame on the Left who stopped being sane and started demanding people agree.

 

What progress ? Brazil is overwhelmed with criminality and corruption. That's maybe the progress you're talking of. This guy seems to be a moron, yes.The problem is that nobody of us can know the reality. We have only one version, the "this guy is the new hitler". I don't doubt he is wicked. But there is always another face to the coin and because we don't have any brazilian member who vote this guy, so we will never know.

 

....and u seem determined to prove you don't know a lot about Brazil. Trying to shoehorn it into a theory based around your own political prejudices isn't helping.

Bolsonaro is President because he could market himself as an 'outsider' with clean hands in a system where corruption is the norm. Sound familiar? Chavez, Lula, Corbyn, Bernie, Berlusconni, Trump, Tsipras, Macron etc. etc. No great secret to this and no need for elaborate theories on outside help.

Brazil has one of the most corrupt political cultures in the world. The most likely place to find ex-Presidents is in jail. For a while there it seemed as if Lula & the PT had broken that tradition. In addition, they instituted some great policies that really helped to transform Brazilian society. They also managed the economy well. Then Lula resigned and Dilma Rousseff stuffed up the economy. Then the lava jovato (Car Wash) scandal broke, implicating the Worker's Party....and pretty much everyone else.

The PT broke people's hearts and mismanaged the economy. Then they put up a little known candidate who spent the first round of the election promising to follow in Lula's steps. No wonder their vote tanked. The regular right wing alternatives have had a couple of years in government after Dilma was impeached & they are even less popular & more divided.

Bolsonaro has been in Congress for 27 years, so it is not like he is unknown. He presented as a 'cleanskin' (relative in Brazilian politics). He promised to clean things up. He did & said as he pleased rather than being a 'politician'. he appealed to the deep religiosity of many Brazilians. He appealed to the authoritarian streak that runs through Brazilian. His opposition was really, really average.

Like a lot of these 'shock' victories, it is much easier to see in hindsight that it was less of a shock than people thought. Whether or not Bolsonaro had the support of evangelicals or Bannon or whoever, he won for very Brazilian reasons. Trying to make it otherwise is an exercise in fiction, not analysis. It remains to be seen just how effective he will be, especially as his party has a tiny number of seats in Congress.

 

Oh well thanks for letting me know what you support, hijacking elections with fake whatsit propaganda including putting in photos of the opposition with their teeshirts changed to suggest they are wanting young children to become transgender, someone whose idol is someone who embraced torture, murder and rape, someone who will make illegal the opposition and human rights groups calling them 'terrorists' to give you an idea of his eventual intention, someone whose intention is to end all social and human rights and who has promised to give the police a free hand in killing people particularly poor black Brazillians but of course also the political opposition of the left and the indigenous people - and that is just his election promises.

If you have a look you will find paper after paper announcing that he is a fascist and yet to you all is fine with his policies, you see no problem with them. Why on earth would it bother people you think.

Like I said it is going to be interesting seeing how Trump supporters respond to this. America Beware.

 

He seems to be a dangerous man yes. But I think that the left has a responsibility in that, you overused the term fascist and end it to loose it's power.

One of the problem is that the regular "democratic" partis is that they failed to solve two deep problems of the brazilian society : corruption and criminality.
Democracy is dead for a long time in Brazil, a democracy ravaged by corruption isn't "democracy", it's a plutocracy. It's already a problem in regular democracies where the true power is hold by the one who own the medias and are able to pay for the election campaign but the problem is even worse in countries like Brazil.

I'm worried about the native american.

If Bolsonaro however is able to exterminate organized crimes, it would be positive for Brazilian. Mussolini was a fool and globally damaged Italy, but he was able to exterminate almost the mafia. They had to refugee in the USA. When Italy became back a democracy, mafia became better again, even if its slowly dying today.

 

Keep on electing protectionist nationalists.

Remember 1930s

 

Things happened in history before and after 1930 and outside germany.

 

He just announced that the police wouldn't be prosecuted if they kill someone, anyone, during service. Explain to me how this isn't far right? Brasil already have one of the most corrupt and violent police force on the planet. They're responsible for indisciminate killings of innocents already.

Have you even studied what the situation in Brasil is and what that guy want to do?

 

That's the problem with that kind of guys. I believe in harsh justice. But you have to be harsh toward everyone, especially the wicked who abuse of their authority. Harsh discipline is good for everyone, the regular population or the police. Going on a kill fest won't solve anything. As far as I know, duterte didn't got that good results with his "kill on sight drug dealers".

It's kind of funny, there is in a few years a lot of similar personnalities, Duterte, Bolsonaro, Trump.

But situations aren't always plenty simple as the leftists present it, the evil far right against the angelical left wing full of pure and good intentions, enlighted and guiding the world.

The whole south america is really crazy, and I don't know if a lot of things could change it.

 

I'm a centrist. I hold no love for either extreme of the political spectrum. Everything's better in moderation. Extra-judicial killings won't fix anything and will probably make it worst in the long run if the criminals know that they have nothing to lose and it'll even become a recruitment tool for them as the brothers and sisters of those killed will want revenge.

 

I'm a "all-politician-are-bitches-if-I-want-to-change-the-world-I-should-involve-myself-in-a-NGO".

Something is sure is that most southern america as three endemic constant problems : a very high criminality, a very high homicide rate and corruption. The centrist, moderated right winged and left wing failed to solve those issues who create a lot of sorrow among southern american and is one of the major reason so much people try to flee this place.
I can understand that people are desesperate enough to try anything, even devils like Bolsonaro.

Extra-judicial killings don't fit my vision, because I believe in extremly harsh but fair discipline tempered with a few mercy.

From my point of view, a lot of so-called "moderated" (I'm not speaking of you) are responsible of that kind of situation. Those kind of people happen to unfair societies as a kind of "revenge". But in the end, it's always the same who pay the addition, the weak and the poor.

 

When did south america ever had a centrist government? The vast majority are hard left or hard right. Centrist/Moderates in south america gets a bullet, not a ballot...

 

Apparently, the former parti-leader of Brazil the PMDB was branded as moderate/centrist. The PSDB who got the power is apparently classified as moderate too.

 

And North Korea calls themselves a democratic republic... Actions speak louder than words.

 

Maybe. I don't know how it's called in english, but it's can be associated with the "true scotman" argument. Communism fail ? It's not true communism. Muslim commit a suicide attack ? It's not a true muslim. I think you got the concept, it's used by every kind of sides.
I doubt there is a right side. There is clearly people who are wrong, but people who are right, it's another concept.
Far-right, centrist, leftist, all of those categories just seduce our tribal instinct and prevent us to think freely. But being for any political side won't prevent corrupted and power hungry people to seek for power. And so, just hoping that the right tribe win the power is madness.
That's why I don't hope anything from politics anymore. I think it's just put me afar of my own responsibilities. I'm sick of poorness ? I should give money to associations who feed the poor. I'm sick of poor education ? Then I'm free to help poor kids for their homework. I don't says I do that, but I know that if I hope for change, hoping that it will be realized by politician is just pure madness.
From my point of view, it's the nature of power to attract wicked personnalities. Authoritarian states and leaders get and keep power through violence, "democratic" leaders get the power through propaganda and lies.

Brazilian society is ravaged by moral corruption and violence, Bolsonaro and every former brazilian politician are a reflect of that. I'm not saying that we deserve the politician we get, but even if we don't vote for them or don't vote for all, we, as a society, cause the politician we get in the end. I'm not saying "we deserve" it, because I'm less fatalistic than that. I prefer the word "cause".

 

Political moderates?

It was political moderates who engineered every finagled ****up in south America, political moderates who lied us all into the Iraq war, political moderates who laughed at taking out Gaddafi who got stabbed to death via the anus, political moderates who waffled endlessly about an Arab spring, political moderates who are now in bed with jihadi headchoppers because it's politically expedient.

It's a dirty appellation. It's a PC phrase for psychopathic malfeasance.

 

It's because they're moderate in their behaviour. Look at Obama, he created a huge mess in the middle east and the situation of the most poor american tended to get worse under his mandate. But he was good loocking, smiling, did nice jokes and applied political correctness.
Democracy is a show, and appearance is what is the most important in it.

 

Nazism/fascism was not a movement for smaller government.

 

Nazism and Fascism were actually anti-nationalist movements. Hitler and the NSDAP appealed to nationalists to win elections and take power.

Totalitarianism is globalist.