'Jewish homeland' - The sequel.

As Helen Thomas and others have rightly said, there was no need for European Jews to decant to the ME, at the end of WW2.

The threat to them, it was over, gone, done. Even if they were interned, they went in as Poles, Russian, Germans etc, so unless 'Nazi science' involved passport doctoring, one would assume that after their release, the would still be Poles, Russians, and Germans. Thus, one would usually do what one may do if they were interned in any other circs, then let out - go back to your nation of origin.

But this did not happen, and there then followed waves of Jewish immigration, often illegal, the like of which would have anyone on here SEETHING, if it were any immigrants of that volume, suddenly flocking to their lands.

Sure, there were always a % of semite Jews that had always lived there, alongside Arab Christians and Muslims.

Things were MUCH better then. And more peaceful. Until the flood of Ashkenazi Jewry, from Europe.

Which brings us to the here and now.

When Kissenger said recently, that in ten years, there would be no Israel, I don't think he was kidding.

Only it won't be gone in the hysterical manner that is trotted out in the media, 'wiped off map', by force.

It could be 'wiped off the map', right enough, but not by force. You have to understand, Israel is not like any other nation state, in many ways, but one of the key ways, is that Israel is more like a 'project', than a nation, and as with all projects, they need investors, and, as with all projects, they can be abandoned, if either the project is unsustainable, or the investors pull the plug.

You've all heard of the Rothschild involvement in Israel, and it is true, their prints are all over.

But they are just one of several dynasties who are almost like shareholders, in Israel.

It's just that the others do not get as much attention, as the Rothschilds.

Without these tremendously wealthy Jewish families essentially continuing with the project, there would be no Israel.

If you factor in a change in the US consensus, so that Americans finally get tired of supporting Israel too, as they will, then again, Israel could not continue, the project would have to be abandoned.

Don't think they wouldn't do it, because they would. They are probably working out the pro's and cons of it, already.

Many of these families do not even live in Israel, so, when it came down to it, they would be as emotionless about it, as they would retreating from any other investment, that has run it's course.

They would likely even turn it into a massive positive PR excercise, for the image of Jews.

Listening to an American Jewish women, who has lived there for 28yrs, was interesting.

She says that there is actually great poverty in Israel, so, any notion that ALL the money that appears to go there, is making all of the people there rich, is not true. Indeed, most of those Jews wonder where and who the money does go to.

She said, when she first arrived, that Israel had the look of a place in which people were not meant to stay, forever.

She put it down to it being a relatively new state. 30yrs on, she still feels, as before, that even the better off parts STILL have a feel of a state that is not meant to be permanent.

Of course, it would then beg the question, if this were all so, would the Jews bother with the concept of another homeland, or would it be more likely they would disperse, into N America and Europe, maybe?

Well, I think if there was no need for a Jewish homeland after WW2, there is even less of a one now, however, if some wished to retain a version of it, then they could do worse than to explore this...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan

 

Go back to the country in which they came from? To people who hate them? After the war they were even refused to land in America. If they weren't welcome here, how can we expect those countries to except them?

Jews started migrating to Palestine back in the 1880's. Palestine wasn't a country. It was mostly desert with a sparse population of Arabs and to a much lesser degree, Jews. They bought the land, they didn't steal it. They had a plan to once again make Palestine a Jewish homeland where they controlled their destiny. They made a deal during WWI with Britain to help them in exchange for a national homeland. Problem is, the British also promised the same thing to the Arabs living there. That's when things got sticky.

I can understand the Jews desire to have their own state where they didn't have to live with people who hated them and they could control their own destiny. I can also understand the Arab view. They felt it was their land, no matter if Jews were buying it or not. Thay didn't think it was right to make them a Jewish state out of Arab land.

I don't know if Israel will continue to exist or not. But I think it's hard to imagine, unless they find some way of getting along with their neighbors. They aren't going to do that by continually stealing Arab land as they are doing now with their settlement expansions. But Arabs,(Hamas) also has to drop from their charter, the desire to destroy Israel

 

"Somebody" will exist after the nuclear exchange. Maybe.

 

I thought it was the NA who 'hated' them, thus, after WW2, there was no more 'threat'.

They should have gone back to Germany, Poland, etc.

 

It was the German people who stood by and watched them take over all the Jewish business and then watched them haul those families away, never to be seen again without as much as a protest. I'm not sure, but I imagine the same thing was happening in Poland. How much do you think a Jew would want to stay in a country where they were treated as they were and where they saw or knew millions of their people were worked like slaves, starved half to death and then murdered?

It would have been different if Palestine had been a country and they went in there and stole their land. But they didn't do that. They were buying up the land. They were willing to buy it all up to have a country to once again call home. Why not where they once had their own country, before being chased off by the Romans and where their history and religion was? It wasn't until the Jews started making the desert into a thriving communities, that Arab immigration also picked up. Coming there for jobs the Jews were hiring to help build their communities.

 

Better yet...send the Paleos back to Egypt and Syria from whence they came.

 

So. The German people just all hated Jews, and would have gone on hating Jews, even after WW2?

And yet....two thirds of world Jewry, all these years later, live outside of their 'homeland'.

Does that tell you anything?

 

They were kicked out.

Normal countries do not want the Palestinians around, they are considered the scum of the Middle East. Why do you think they have no Arab support.

 

And I thought they did.

What with all those rockets Iran are said to give them.

Except that they don't.

 

Facts are facts.

The only people who care about Palestine are people like you on internet forums. They have no state support. They were promised something for help during a world war (which they failed to deliver on) and now people are thinking that was a dumb idea.

That's Jewish land now so accept it and move on.

 

Their cause is a righteous one.

So, yes, I support their cause.

However, closer to home, the Jews have also been guilty of great crimes against the people of Europe, and N America.

 

Actually the biggest , most important, strongest , clearly Jewish state entity was the Khaganate of Khazaria .
This entity was consisted of mostly Ural-Altaic people like Turks and Tatars that didn't had a drop of Semitic blood in them .

OP is not entirely wrong and not entirely correct
Here in Greece Jews have a recorded history that is far older than the recorded history of most "European' nations , personally and since they even have their own language (Romaniotica) i consider them Greeks of Jewish faith and i see no problem why their kids shouldn't come back if they want to .

At the other hand a nation with so many and varied traumatic experiences is absolutely justified to want their own national land and historically Judea and Samaria ARE their ancestral lands .

 

Palestinians have no cause. Have they ever ruled that region? NO

Have they ever had a leader? NO

They are welfare babies screaming for something they have no right to. Did they fight the Ottoman Empire for what is theirs? NO

Have they done anything whatsoever to lay claim to that region? NO

They were given it and as such it can be taken away at will.

Deal with it.

 

Israel are THE biggest welfare state in the World.

They have been on the dole for 64yrs.

Jews don't like to work.

But work sets you free.

 

Kinda hard to hold a steady job when people like you are pushing them into gas chambers.

 

And so kicks in that famous Jewish hysteria....lol..

 

Ahh that's right.

You deny the holocaust happened...I forgot.

 

The Arab countries like the Saudis have been supporting the Palestians financially since 1948..

Neither you nor Marine know anything about the history of Palestine or the European refugees.

 

It tells me there are a lot of Jews that don't want to live in a place where they could be blown up at any minute. Can we blame them for that? Can we blame the others that want to live where their ancestors lived and their religion came from?

 

Tell me the one again in which Jews are lazy, and Israel are a welfare state?

Great punchline........'Kinda hard to hold a steady job when people like you are pushing them into gas chambers'

 

Okay, so are they more hyserically afraid inside their own homeland or outwith?

Or both?

 

I'm not as ignorant of Palestine as you may think. I may not know everything, but I know a lot more than many do.

 

Lol

Saudi has money to burn so thinking they are behind the Palestinian cause because of some donations is laughable.

Where were they when the Jews were allowed to establish their nation?

Deadly silent.

Anything else you want to add?

 

More Jews lived in Alexandria Egypt before the birth of Christ than lived in Palestine. You really should learn some basic history before you sound off.

 

In 1948 Saudi Arabia was still poor, genius.