just another sat night full of violence

Every word very true and well thought out. I do however take task of the last line, civilised Aboriginal nation, there were may, maybe not you would call civilised, but they were definitely more civilised then us when it comes to living within their environment. Civilised is a relative term, not one I like because the so called most "civilised" like aristocracy were actually very uncivilised IMO

 

Cheers.

You are using a different meaning of the word. Point is efjay is using the original meaning of the word:

an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached.

Which related to the spread of British Imperialism. You can stretch civilised/civilisation to mean many different things.

Point is, such arguments are redundant because many different uses can simultaneously be correct.

 

Well let me tell you this, civilised is not the right word, and don't think for a minute that the person I cannot name because it is against the rules really needs a dictionary.

civilised past participle, past tense of civ·i·lize (Verb)
Verb:

1. Bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced: "a civilized society".
2. Polite and well-mannered.

Now the spread of British Imperialism was to find more land and food for the British and to convert any natives they found to be like them. How does that in any way fit the definition of civilised.

If you follow our friends posts he and his mates are trying to convince you that white and black people are different species.

I think to wipe out racism we just need dictionaries and the ability to read and understand and care and love.

 

Before the English came the aboriginals were not a civilised bunch at all. Stop trying to rewrite history to suit your own means.

 

The problem is that while good WHITE aussies are doing their best to get ahead in this world the abos are behaving like animals. I dont CARE that statements like that get your back up...cos they are meant to!
Statements like that are the VERY THING that should MOTIVATE abos and get them to wake up out of this stupid " we are victims" mentality. If even HALF the abo populace was to put in a bit of effort there wouldnt be a problem but they dont. They sit back on welfare and create an image that is then projected onto ALL abos.

 

The confusion started here:

Followed by:

This post by Oxy is 100% correct: there was an Aboriginal civilisation here well before the country was invaded (civilisation meaning 'a particular society at a particular time and place').

However, efjay was using civilisation to refer to 'an advanced stage of development'.

In summary, there was most certainly a civilisation in Australia before it was invaded, however, it wasn't a 'civilised' society in comparison with the land where the invaders came from.

Can we move on from semantics now?

 

'Civilization entered the English language in the mid-18th century with the meaning “the act or process of bringing out of a savage or uneducated state.” In this preimperialistic age of exploration, it was popular to view people from less-developed lands as barbaric and in great need of cultural edification.'

efjay is perfectly correct in his usage of the word.

Rest of your post is not directed at me.

The only way to 'wipe out racism' is to eliminate race. This will happen slowly over time, at some point in the future we'll all be one race, and so 'race' as a identifier will no longer exist. That's Globalisation for you.

 

Well maybe some of us need to get out of the 18th century

 

If RACISM is CIVILISED give me BARBARISM

 

lol Touché. But you can't really argue with efjay saying the British 'civilised' the Aborigines since the word was specifically created by the British to describe exactly that type of scenario.

Should not have involved myself in this semantic argument.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

Now back on topic...
What can be done to get the "aboriginal" community to face up to its law breaking ways??
Step one HAS to be to stamp out the victim mentality.

 

Who's efjay

 

Good, because as I live with an Aboriginal woman, I have been accepted as part of her family. I travel with her to several missions where other members of her family live. It saddens us both each time we go, to see the damage done by alcohol, drugs, abuse and violence. As I have said over and over again, they are as intelligent as us, more intelligent then some. She sees the disgusting state they are in and is more ashamed then you because these are her people.

I see the pain in her heart and see her silent tears, she is an extremely proud woman and tries to hide her sadness. Her mother (Aboriginal) abandoned her when she was young, and even though her mother has contacted her lately, she has been unable to forgive her.

She, her brother and sister were taken to a home for Aboriginal children, here as for dozens of years children were sent to be civilised, whitened, christianised.

Her parents and their parents had all started to lose sight of their history and their language, she and her siblings never got a chance to find out. They were kept from other Aboriginals, but were never accepted amongst the whites. They were looked upon as sub human because they never fitted the European mould.

She grew up extremely confused, they all did, they knew they didn't belong, we made sure of that. She loved the "Parents" at the home and had a particularly soft spot for the family that took her on school holidays. She loved life, hated school because the teachers sat them at the back and ignored them most of the time, constant teasing and bullying by the white kids led to fights and the black kids were the ones always blamed.

She grew to love God, something she fiercely defends to this day, it was what her mum told her, the stories she read to her from the bible. She learnt the white man's ways and saw many good things. But her young soul could not understand why other children were so bitter towards her because of her colour, she thought she was pretty, she loved her ebony skin.

Her hair was a mass of curls she loved her hair dearly, why didn't the other kids like it, it was only hair. Totally confused she was happy and sad, she loved her new family, the home and the life. In her innocence though, she didn't understand the racism that was about to haunt her for the rest of her life.

At 15 she was fed up and ran away, she ended up being taken to a home in Manley. She loved it there and finished year ten. 16 now she set off to find her family. She knew the people that she belonged to so she headed north to the Northern NSW Coastal town in the land of her ancestors.

She was shocked, the state of the people of her clan were drunken, drug addicted and abusive, but they were her people. She stayed there for about 10 years, she worked at the school and the pre-school, she married and had 2 children.

She raised them her way, making sure they were always fed and clean, went to school and to bed at a reasonable hour. She never let them run wild like the others and tried to set a good example.

Knowing some of the families there now I can see the influence she had, one by the difference in some families, and mostly by the respect they show her.

Her husband was a drunk and her town was deteriorating into something she wanted no part of for her 2 boys. She left her husband, packed up her two sons, and moved to Sydney to start a new life and to give her sons a chance.

The story goes on and some of you will be laughing and carrying on but that's cool this story is not for you. To this day I see her being prejudiced against daily, it makes her bitter and hateful of white people.

Why do they hate her skin, treat her so badly, when she is no different then them, and after all she says, this is my land. Once she sees you wont hurt her she lowers her guard, and sometimes I mean that literally, she can fight better then most men, by why wouldn't she, she has had enough practice. She has had to fight off bullies, thugs and sicko old white guys (and some not that old) who think they can get a bit because she is black.

My woman is a complex one, which ones aren't, but mine more so. She is kind, sweet, gentle loving woman. She is one of the best mothers I have ever met. She says like most of her people she doesn't want much, no big mansion by the harbour, but a little bungalow near the sea in her home lands is all she needs.

I know that if she wasn't reminded on a daily basis that we think she is a second class citizen, she would have no issue with white man. If we let her get on with her life she would be happy, but unfortunately we all know that that is never going to happen.

So look out boys she carries her peoples flag and she understands what has happened to her people and why. She like myself though at the moment have no answer. There are problems on both sides we both see that, but where do you start.

I can tell you one thing that would be a good place to start, ridding ourselves of prejudice for one, treating them as equals and giving them a say in their community just as we have in ours.

Recognising them as the traditional owners of the land and stop dumping our crap everywhere and ruining our land and rivers.

We have this ridiculous theory that they all lived in the desert and ate Witchetty grubs, when the majority lived along the coast, the land we have taken as ours.

White supremacists sit waiting with guns for when the takeover to come, they say to protect us from them. Guns protect no one they kill people, and from all I have read it is that that they are waiting for. Don't you think they know that, they have no intention of doing anything really but violence creates violent reactions.

We need to look listen and understand these people, they are so beautiful, and have such gentle spirits.

So as I live among another race according to Zook I am qualified to say this, I have a lot more respect for a lot of black people and I cannot say the same of my own race, sad.

 

Off topic and emotive.

 

The racists also do not realise how much they hurt their own causes. People simply will not listen to them no matter what they have to say because it is like bad body odour - the further away you are from it the better you feel

 

So doing NOTHING about the real issues and just handing over money while feeding the victim mentality is your way to help them?

Rather silly isn't it?

 

I read up to the part I highlighted. I don't need to read the rest.

Something you should probably know about me. I'm only racist when it comes to black "people." I've never met an aboriginal in my entire life, so guess what? I have nothing against them. I don't have anything against Latinos or Mexicans and I actually quite like South East Asians because of the positive experiences I have had with them and their general reputation of being quite nice, decent, respectful, law-abiding citizens within the community. My experiences with Indian and Bengali people have been positive also, so again, I have nothing against them.

I've lived in majority black hellholes my entire life. That's 30 years. I've known more black people in my life than all other races combined... including my own. That right there is reason enough to hate them. Anyone would feel the same seeing the kinds of violence and depravity I saw growing up.

I don't know if Aboriginals are the same as black "people." They certainly don't look the same race or species to me. But I tend to form opinions based on personal experiences rather than scientific studies or stereotypical views.

If I do have a preference about mixing races, it's only a mild one. I feel it shouldn't happen because a lot of mixed raced children grow up resentful and confused as to their identity. Again I speak from experience because (and this may shock you) I'm technically only 50% White myself. Well, according to White-Nationalist rules I am anyway. I never speak about anything I haven't experienced first hand. Never.

This entire post I'm typing here is what makes me 100% right and everyone on this forum who argues against me when it comes to racial issues wrong. Because I have experienced and have formed opinions rationally through the years based on those experiences. If you say Aboriginals are nice, decent people, then fine. Who am I to argue? I've never met one. But I will say there's a hell of a lot of liberals out there who witness animalistic black (African) behavior first hand and swear to their blue in the face they're decent people just like everyone else. So excuse me if I don't commit fully 100% to your "Aboriginals are great people, just look at my wife!" stance.

So now I've told you my views there should be no more drawn out responses from you boasting of your Aboriginal wife. I really have no problem with it and not deusional enough to think my opinion would matter to you anyway. My problem is black "people" only.

 

Then how do we racists help our cause? By not being racists? Then we don't have a cause though. So what's the point? Duhhh...

Don't worry... racists don't want to be anywhere near you either. Racist websites generate millions of views per day and have hundreds of thousands of members. Racist websites are one of the most popular type of websites on the entire internet. Just go look at Stormfront's statistics. But do you see them coming over to this forum to read what Bowerbird has to say? I don't think so... There's only about 3 or 4 racist members here. That's because racists are just as disgusted by your ignorant stance as you are by theirs.

 

Correct again Zook, most racists are only game to crawl out of the ooz when they are in the bedrooms safely tucked in by mummy and on their PC

OK Unfollowing this rubbish. Catch you later Bro

 

What on Earth are you blithering on about man? My parents are deceased. Mommy doesn't tuck me in.

This is an internet forum. I state my views based on whatever discussion I see going on. There is a race relations section to this forum. There is no race relations building you can go into in life and discuss your views on race. If anyone comes up to me in the street and asks my views on racism of course I'm going to state them. I'm a proud racist and they asked me my opinion.

I don't understand what that off-topic rant was supposed to be about...

 

Its the anti racism way bud, take things off topic and rant on about BS in the hope that they can scream the message down.

 

Of course they're popular on the internet. On the 'net, these ignorant little fools can hide behind a screen and keyboard. Faceless, gutless cowards. Makes perfect sense.

 

And still no one has even TALKED about the topic at hand. You are all happy to scream racism BUT IGNORE the real problems...gutless.

 

Ridiculous and weak response. Every group needs a forum to discuss things on. There are forums set up for ignorant anti-racist ******* fools too. It just so happens that racist forums are a LOT more popular and have FAR more members. Don't be bitter about it.

 

Well that's just anti-racism 101. Anti-racists are mentally ill, they're incapable of acknowledging reality even if it smacks them cold in the face. Don't expect any serious responses. They're brainwashed cowards.