Kherson offensive?

Dealing with normal people, this would have ended a long time ago because @Jack Hays would have either said "oops I misspoke" or just never replied at all, and as I'm the one who is actually correct on this (the Monroe Doctrine is a doctrine, not any sort of collective defense) it's surprising that you want ME to shut up and not the guy who is actually spreading disinformation (like Putin). What is the reason for that?

 

Collective defense is a concept, not a pact; your post is a falsehood.

 

You are simply confirming your falsehood.

 

Because you are spreading a falsehood, as others have seen.
You lost.

 

This one includes some big news.
Ukraine Conflict Updates
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 10

Click here to read the full report.
Key Takeaways

• The Times reported that an unnamed US Defense source stated that the Pentagon is no longer insisting that Ukraine refrain from striking military targets in Russia given the ongoing Russian campaign of systematically destroying Ukrainian critical infrastructure.
• Russian forces conducted attacks against Ukrainian infrastructure using a higher number of Iranian-made drones than in previous weeks.
• Putin risks losing support from proxy leaders in Donetsk Oblast due to Russian forces’ failure to push Ukrainian forces out of artillery range of Donetsk City.
• Russian authorities are increasingly importing Chechen officials and forces to man administrative regimes of occupied areas.
• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations toward Svatove, and Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near Kreminna.
• Russian forces continued attempts to advance toward Bakhmut and in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area and to defend their positions in western Donetsk Oblast.
• Russian authorities plan to launch programs in Russia and occupied Ukrainian territories to prepare children for military service.
• Russian forces in occupied Donetsk Oblast are reportedly commandeering civilian utility equipment to construct defensive structures.

An unnamed US defense source told The Times that the Pentagon is no longer insisting that Ukraine should not strike military targets within Russia.[1] The source noted that the Pentagon has changed its perspective on this matter following the recent intensification of Russian missile strikes on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure over the last few months and that the Pentagon has become less concerned regarding the risk of escalation, including nuclear escalation, with Russia.[2] The Times suggested that this development is a “green light” for Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian territory.[3] Ukrainian commitments to Western partners previously stipulated that Ukraine had the right to use force to regain all its territory, including territory seized by Russia in 2014.[4] The US has previously not made an effort to prevent Ukraine from striking legitimate military targets located on sovereign Ukrainian territory, and the alleged statement made by the undisclosed US source is an extension of the previous policy. International law allows Ukrainian forces to strike legitimate targets even in Russian territory, especially targets from which Russian forces are launching attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure. . . .

Ukrainian and Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the direction of Svatove on December 10. Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai stated that Ukrainian forces are getting closer to Svatove.[22] A Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces unsuccessfully tried to attack the Synkivka-Lyman line (50km northwest of Svatove) and that Russian forces repelled a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group near Dachne (3km west of Svatove).[23] Another Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces periodically attack in the vicinity of the R-66 highway near Svatove, where they reportedly have had minor tactical success.[24] Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian and Ukrainian forces are engaged in battles near Novoselivske (14km northwest of Svatove) and that Russian forces control most of the settlement.[25] Russian and social media sources claimed that Ukrainian forces struck Svatove and a Russian rear area in Novopskov (68km northeast of Svatove) with HIMARS rockets and heavy artillery.[26] . . .

Ukrainian and Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the Kreminna area on December 10. Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai stated that Ukrainian forces are also getting closer to Kreminna.[33] The Russian MoD claimed that Russian forces thwarted Ukrainian assaults in the direction of Chervonopopivka (6km northwest of Kreminna) and Dibrova (5km southwest of Kreminna).[34] A Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces also conducted assaults near Ploshchanka and that fighting between Ukrainian and Russian forces is ongoing along the Makiivka-Chervonopopivka line.[35] . . .

Ukrainian forces continued strikes against Russian military assets and concentration areas in southern Ukraine on December 10. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that a Ukrainian strike on a Russian concentration area in an unspecified location in Zaporizhia Oblast wounded up to 150 Russian personnel.[58] Ukrainian sources additionally confirmed that Ukrainian forces struck Russian military assets and command posts near Enerhodar, Molochansk, Tokmak, and Berdyansk, as well as a Buk-M3 air defense system near Vesele with western-provided weaponry.[59] . . .

 

Ukraine launches missile attack on Russian-occupied Melitopol
https://www.cnn.com › 2022/12/11 › europe › ukraine-cri...

6 hours ago — Mikhail Razvozhaev, governor of Sevastopol, said the explosions were due to firing exercises. 1.5 million in Odesa without power. The news comes ...

 

Can someone better acquainted with Ukraine public opinion explain why the Ukraine government, and especially Zelensky, is so keen to emphasize that the drones are "Iranian"?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ke-odesa-power-cuts-zelenskyy-putin-rcna61141
Drone strikes leave more than a million without power in southern Ukraine, officials say
“After the night strike by Iranian drones, Odesa and other cities and villages of the region are in the dark,” President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.

 

1. To emphasize that the Russians lack the capacity to produce their own
2. To identify the Russians with one of the most widely-despised regimes in the world.

 

Its both and yah please move on Lil.

 

The same reason Putin points out where Ukrainian weapons come from. Is that a trick question?

Ukraine was reported using Turkish drones. Russia has been reported using Iranian ones. Ukraine has been reported many times using weapons from other countries.

Are you feeling a tad sensitive about Iran these days?

 

Because every reasonable person hates Iranians.

 

*Iranian government

 

A distinction without a difference.

 

Update from Ukraine | Ukraine Waits for Frosts to start the Massive counterattack | Glory to Ukraine

 

Nope it's simply showing your quote. That quote again?

 

It's both? The Monroe Doctrine is a collective defense pact? Please explain.

 

His quote doesn't say "pact." You do.

You lost. Get over it.

 

There's several rumors about German Leopard and US Abrams tanks being supplied to UAF....if true....that would be a major boost, .....and lots more dead orcs.

 

It says collective defense. Is that what the Monroe Doctrine is?

 

What the Moskhailchynyks we’re doing in Stevastopyl was testing their explosives using small test batches. That is why there were boom booms.

 

The Monroe Doctrine was a policy as I remember from college history classes of the US from War of 1812 to the the Mexico- vs US war. A period of the development of American Nationalism which is not covered very well in HS or college course.

 

Every time you post my actual words you make my point and refute yours.
You lost.

 

Yeah, at least Leopard 2s were sounding more likely, as I recall. I understand they're badly needed for mounting an effective offense.

 

If they're not on the ground already.....I think much of the news we get could be days old.

 

Ukraine Conflict Updates
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 12

Click here to read the full report.
Key Takeaways

• Russian forces are continuing to shape and consolidate their force composition in eastern Ukraine to bolster defenses against ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensives near the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border and support limited offensive efforts in Donetsk Oblast.
• The cost of the Russian war in Ukraine will likely continue to undermine Russian President Vladimir Putin’s geopolitical campaigns worldwide.
• The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) officially denied rumors that Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov has been or soon will be replaced, although it stopped short of offering the kind of credible support for this denial that it has provided that Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu is still on the job.
• Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov stated that Ukraine intends to continue counteroffensives in winter 2022–2023 after the hard freeze enables maneuver warfare, supporting an ISW assessment.
• Senior US government officials may be correcting their assessments about Ukraine’s ability and intent to conduct counteroffensive operations this winter.
• Russian forces continued limited ground attacks near Svatove and Kreminna as Ukrainian forces struck rear areas in Luhansk Oblast.
• Russian forces continued ground attacks in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka–Donetsk City areas and conducted defensive operations southwest of Donetsk City.
• Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian military assets and logistics hubs along critical ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in southern Ukraine.
• Russian forces are fortifying the northern beaches of Crimea along the Black Sea coast.
• Russian forces may lack sufficient infrastructure to support their troops in Crimea. . . .

Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian concentration areas in the rear of Luhansk Oblast on December 11 and 12. Ukrainian Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai stated on December 11 that Ukrainian troops struck a hotel in Kadiivka (60km southeast of Kreminna) where Wagner Group fighters were reportedly staying.[42] Haidai noted that Wagner forces suffered high losses as a result of the strike.[43] Ukrainian strikes also targeted Russian forces in a hostel in Svatove, causing extensive damage to the building.[44] . . .

Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian military assets and logistics hubs along critical ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in southern Ukraine. Geolocated footage shows the aftermath of a strike against a restaurant-hotel complex in Melitopol, Zaporizhia Oblast overnight on December 10–11, which Ukrainian Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov said Russian forces used as a base for the Federal Security Services (FSB) and to quarter soldiers.[70] Fedorov also stated that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian checkpoint and logistics hub in Bohdanivka and a radar station in Semenivka, both northeast of Melitopol, and two Russian military bases in Polohy and Maiske just south of the frontline.[71] Fedorov added that these strikes collectively killed dozens of Russian military personnel and wounded over 200 servicemen.[72] The Ukrainian Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration stated on December 11 that Ukrainian strikes in an unspecified area of Zaporizhia Oblast injured over 150 Russian military personnel.[73] Russian and Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian forces struck areas along the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast, including Oleshky and Hola Prystan, and rear areas in eastern Kherson Oblast including Skadovsk, Chaplynka, and Radensk on December 11 and 12.[74] . . .