Kirk says a 'Patriot' should bail out alleged Pelosi attacker

That is how I interpreted Kirk's words. That coupled with Trump's silence for a few days, Jr's inappropriate posts and the general disregard among Republicans, in general. It's especially concerning because Trump's rationalization for J6 was "it was common sense" and rumblings that he agreed that Mike Pence should be hanged. I think a better man would temper himself before anybody else gets hurt.

It's just bizarre they say "everyone is equal" but, more often than not, their own words and reactions show the exact opposite.

 

The attempted murder charge comes from DePape whacking Paul on the head with a hammer. Otherwise there is no proof DePape intended to murder Nancy. But I'm done with this horrendous crime by a clearly mentally ill person. Let's talk about why DePape who has been in California illegally for some time and has a rap sheet. Did the California government's liberal policies play a role in the attack on a congresswoman's husband?

 

Yes and attempted murder after DePape hit Paul on the head with a hammer. A rookie FBI agent of 2 years was put in charge of this case so we should all expect errors will be made during her learning process. Not sure why this agent was selected to handle such an important case. She started her FBI career back in 2019. Do you think California's liberal polices which allowed an illegal alien to live in SF who also has a rap sheet which means LE knew about him?

 

Sorry but a politician should not get any different treatment under the law than a private citizen who experienced a similar attack. Citizens of California whose families members have been attacked and watched while the criminal was free to roam the streets while waiting for their trial will not take kindly to this special treatment by politicians who have made California a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants which this guy is and allowing criminals to walk the streets.

 

Yes I have, ad nauseam! Matter of fact, I wished Paul would have unloaded a 10 round magazine (only thing legal in California) into the perps chest. However, that would have tainted the narrative the left is trying to spin before the mid terms.

BTW, all here are asking this very same question, were you also asking the same question when Rand Paul was attacked or the man who shot 5 GOP congressional baseball players? I see allot of selective anger on these forums... On both sides of the fence it's starting to get dangerous.

 

Well, I just joined the forum recently so can't point to my comments about events that happened years ago. I do not condone political violence and threats.

Each side has random people behaving badly. My concern is the current conservative leaders who behave badly. Trump just suggested that reporters who wouldn't reveal their sources be threatened with jail because the possibility of prison rape would make them reveal their sources. MTG recently referred to democrats as feral hogs and then showed a video of her shooting feral hogs. Did you condemn those statements?

 

What we know is DePape has lived in California illegally for quite some time and has a criminal record. Why is this guy still in the US? He is known to LE. What role does California's liberal polices play when it comes to illegal aliens and criminals?

 

Welcome to the forums.

I find both reprehensible, just as I found Biden's statement that those who supported Trump are republican extremist and a danger to our nation. That rhetoric got a teenage boy killed recently. Or that of Chuck Schumer threats to Gorsuch and Kavanaugh that nearly led to the death of one Justice. Again, your rage can't be selective.

 

Schumer apologized and his statement wasn't nearly as specific as Trump's and MTG's. And Biden never threatened anyone. You accuse me of selective rage. I'm not the one who keeps posting mediocre and dated examples of violent rhetoric and threats to score points for my side.

 

Apologies don't take back words. Liberal policies allowing for sanctuary states and lax penalties on criminals is a green light to commit crimes. A perfect example is the attack on Paul Pelosi. DePape is in the US illegally and has a criminal history that is known to LE. Why is he still in the US? While SF LE clap each other on the back after the crime was committed their liberal policies allowed DePape to commit the crime that could have been prevented otherwise.

 

I stated both were reprehensible and the two you claim as mediocre ended the life of a teen boy (source) and a SCOTUS was targeted for assassination because of the violent rhetoric (source). What sad is you condone the rhetoric of one side while lambasting the rhetoric of the other. Both are dangerous. At least I can say that.

 

You make, I believe, the salient point.

If we are to take a lesson from this incident to make our country better, we need to understand exactly how and why this homeless, mentally ill, illegal alien with a long violent criminal history was allowed to remain in our country, at large, to continue to victimize more of our U.S. citizens.

 

I am talking about violent rhetoric and threats coming from political leaders. Why are you deflecting to Depape?

 

Please point out where I have condoned political violence from any side. And presenting examples is not "lambasting".

There is no evidence that the boy was killed because of Biden's words. And there is no evidence that Kavanaugh was targeted because of Schumer's.

There is evidence that Pelosi's attacker was influenced by conservative political leaders' violent rhetoric. There is evidence that more political leaders from the conservative side engage in violent rhetoric. That is my point.

 

He literally stated he ran him down because is was a Republican extremist. The exact words udder by the POTUS just days prior. And the perp who attempted to assassinate the SCOTUS even stated he had plans to do 2 other members of the supreme court. Calling these events mediocre is absolutely condoning the actions as these events literal lead to 1 being murdered and 1 nearly murdered. You should also be calling to cool the rhetoric from the liberal left.

Remember, this was "Literally a call to arms for this country"

 

I concur. Woke policies are destroying this country.

 

So no secret service detail for the Prez and VP and others.
OK. See if you can get that put into law, could you!!

 

Mean with statements like this political leader?

"There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience," he continued. "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK?"

And then, "I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won't be so much 'cause the courts agree with us too."
https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-said-hell-pay-232600785.html

 

There's a pretty good case to be made that google et al are using their platforms to actively promote and campaign for democrats. Why? Because democrats will continue to allow them to sensor the people, just like democrats want. And isn't that the real violence here?

I laughed when i heard the reports because of the irony. Pelosi got hammered. I mean, given his DUI, it is hilarious. We all want mr Pelosi to recover quickly from his attack though. And we all want to know how this illegal alien with a lot of mental illness, who supported nudism in the Castro etc, lived in a commune, etc, is a republican. Because it really looks suspect that folks would assert this to us.

You have. So how do you explain this seemingly non-prototypical "republican" being a part of the right wing? It's patently stupid on the merits. And yet you still push it. Do you "believe" it has to be this?

So how about this. When you can answer how dude broke in without setting off the house alarm, how the police got there and were "let in" while both men simultaneously had control of the hammer, and the police allowed the suspect to then attack mr Pelosi, well, its beyond the pale.

It seems incredibly insane though that if dude had used a hammer elsewhere, dude would be back on the street. But because it was a Pelosi, the local DA isn't just releasing the perp. How unique. This guy is a unicorn in CA. A faithful democrat doing the work, committing the crime, and not getting let go. How unusual.

Turns out that Garland et al have stepped in as well. Two charges, kidnapping, and attacking a close family member of a congressman.

Two federal beefs. Looks like several local beefs. And this is CA ffs... This is the very example of the justice for me, but not you that democrats so deeply believe in . Does that look like justice to you? Really?

 

Again, Biden did not state any violent rhetoric or threats in his speech. That is my point. It is tragic that a mentally ill person killed another because of politics but it wasn't because of a political leader's violent rhetoric or threats.

And, I never said the events you referred to were mediocre, I said your examples are mediocre. Because they don't rise to the level of the very specific threats of violence and violent rhetoric coming out of the mouths of conservative leaders.

 

He literally called a large portion of the country extremist and a threat to our Democracy. That is not bringing the country together, but dividing it with vitriol. You might have taken it another way, however, many took it as a direct threat to them.

White washing those examples does diminish the real effect that radical leftist are acting on that rhetoric. Try wearing a MAGA hat through town or wear a DeSantis shirt and see what happens and there is ample and unequivocal reaction to those who wear such media. We are an extremely divided nation right now and there is violence taking place on both sides. Not acknowledging that there is rampant violence occurring against those with opposing political persuasion is absolutely condoning those actions.

 

And yet, you have conservatives trying to say it's "a gay lover's quarrel" or that David Pelosi deserved it, or other such nonsense. Whether it is an attack of politicians on the baseball field or this one, there are people who are pleased that this happened. Second, this is not a mentally ill person. Yes, he is eccentric, the nudist activist that he is. But he fell for the conspiracy theories perpetuated by Qnon and supported by certain members of Congress who have that "R" behind their name.

As for the suspect, wacking the knees of an elderly person can lead to death in the same way as wacking someone on the head. The good news is that David Pelosi survived the attack. The bad news, and what we don't know yet, is his social media and other electronic evidence. And yes, that will be investigated. But from my experience, suspects always try to minimize their involvement or intentions of the crime. But don't be surprised if additional evidence contradicts his initial statement to the police.

As I said, we do not have people who are being elected or have a high government position that does not know what service truly means. Not one bit. And the saddest thing, some of them are military who support the Qnon conspiracy theories.

 

A. He is a US citizen. Remember, US citizens do not always have the last name Smith, or Jones or Adams. Second, he knew what he was doing, to the extent of what he was doing, etc. So mental illness is out of the question here and won't help him at trial although his defense team will try. Second, if it was any other attack, he would have gotten the same result and, no, "he wouldn't be back on the street." But if Charlie Kirk has his way, yes, he will be back on the street because some conservative dumbasses will bail him out. How ironic is that?

 

He is, reportedly, NOT a U.S. citizen. He is a Canadian citizen that has long over-stayed his visa. He has a long violent criminal history, including elder abuse. The salient question is, given the aforementioned facts: how was it possible for him to be at large in our peaceable society to have opportunity to victimize Mr. Pelosi at all?

 

Actually, he's a Canadian and he's never been naturalized. Why try to lie about it? So, the narrative this is a republican, well, that's just nonsense. He's a liberal, seems to like running around naked, and is being treated like a criminal in a city who normally just lets these folks go back to do whatever horror next. It is quite a surprise for anyone familiar with SF local crime to see this level of curfuffle over it. Do you agree?

I expect perhaps ms Harris' team will bail dude out. They have a history of it you know...