Kyiv:UAF begin offensive ops in specific areas.

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  1. Jack Hays

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    KYIV, June 12 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Monday its troops had recaptured seven villages from Russian forces along an approximately 100-km (60-mile) front in the southeast since starting its long-anticipated counteroffensive last week. . . .

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    Ukraine claims new gains in early phase of counteroffensive
     
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    Ukraine war live updates: Kyiv says it has liberated front-line villages in counteroffensive; Putin appeals to Russians' patriotism
     
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    This will probably be the only thing the Kremiln will allow Russian media to mention.
     
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    You should mean Putin's ambitoin. Because, he invaded a non-threatening country causing 300k plus deaths while sending his own conscripts who don't want to be there on human wave attacks. There is no defense for that lack of regard for human life. No amount of deflecting can prove what Putin is doing is anything but wrong even with your reasons.
     
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    TASS....Sarah westall....sup gifter....with the $hithouse wall links.

    Several settlements liberated...more on the way.....RVC "rebs" giving the orcs l they can handle in Belgorod...sounds like the orcs $hit the bed.
     
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    Sounds like Leo's getting repaired....back in action soon.

    Yup...orc milbloggers will be pushing this big time....maybe a national holiday


    Hell....the orcs have ribbon cutting ceremonies for filling potholes!:)
     
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    Why is it being cited by a propaganda site instead of a trustworthy source? Yours says "The document is not for the fate of heart." That doesn't inspire confidence, just as the front page of sarahwestall.com does not.

    Scrolling down to the very bottom, all I see is the so-called document apparently authored by Sarah herself, and it cites one Russian website after another as a basis for its various claims.

    Fail.
     
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    Was 4 last time I checked... now up to 7 small abandoned and relatively undefended Villages near a 100 mile zone along the front line.

    There is nothing exciting about this .. overwhelming 10 defenders in some undefended village .. This has a total of a rounding error on zero significance in achieving of the overall objective .. what ever that objective might be.

    Given the location .. and I encourage you to google map the town of Blahodatne https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5187062,36.9185965,8.08z?entry=ttu .. looks like that objective might be to make a land bridge cutting off Crimea .. which would succeed with taking of Mariupol.

    So .. towards that objective taking these tiny abandoned towns is Zero --- but, this does perhaps point to what the objective might be.
    https://www.ft.com/content/4351d5b0-0888-4b47-9368-6bc4dfbccbf5
     
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    The die is cast gifter....endgame is Crimea just like Berlin 45.

    Shebekina is deserted almost...2700 remain of almost 40000....local Sheriff and deputies can't maintain order....so territorial defenses set up....not a good scene...gifter....Belgorod is next.
     
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    Mort ! .. how ye be :) Let me help sort out this confusion for thee help you to understand "you should mean" :)

    I will tell you Mort what I mean - by Biden's ambition .. Biden and NATO but .. USA bears the blame .. meddling in a foreign electoral process ... engineering regime change - Training an Army on Putin's border .. after the annexing of Crimea .. all the while the persecution and genocide of Ethnic Russians .. in the East .. not upholding the Minsk agreement.

    The US Trained Ukrainian Army has been defeated --- Killed in the meat grinder over the last year -- replacements consist of green teens and old men .. forced into service by the Ukrainian Secret Police

    Now who is the one deflecting .. unable to address the mess I took head on .. Vlad defeated the latest US-Nato..with group of Mercinaries... Convicts .. the conscripts and hundreds of thousands of volunteers yet to see much action .. just doing training training training.. and the Chechens .. they are happy to fight .. radical Islamists happy for a chance to fight the US Infidel on even ground ..

    Your perspective is out of sync with reality friend .. hope this chat will find adjustment :)
     
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    As usual -- it is you who has failed Durandal. The document being discussed and quoted from .. and linked to .. is from the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) - .. "You can read more about the OSCE for yourself on their website". https://www.osce.org/

    So no Sara did not Author the OSCE document .. but even if she had .. that still does not make her or the OSCE "Anti West Kremlin Propaganda"

    Big fail again durandal .. Your claim that there was no persecution going on by the Azov Nazi's through the civil war after 2014 is made up unsupported false nonsense on your end.. and when confronted with evidence that conflicts with this made up narrative .. you cry "Kremlin Propaganda"

    This reminds me of the Blue propaganda machine .... what they did to dissenters .. Trump - Tulsi Gabbard .. "Russia Russia Russia" for every problem .. Russian collaborators the lot of them ..

    A big fail at every turn mate -- Glad you brought it up.
     
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    The claim that the document was an OSCE product was almost certainly a lie or a gross distortion. Since the document itself was not produced, there's no reason to take the claim seriously.
     
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    AZOV is NOT on the US terrorist list.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups

    It is on the terrorist list of a terrorist country. The name of that terrorist country is the Russian Federation. Russia lies so no one should ever believe them.
     
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    Did I hear someone clapping .. Zoomie .. In the echo Chamber .. can get kinda loud don't cha know :)
     
  17. Jack Hays

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    Ukraine Conflict Updates
    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 12, 2023

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    Key Takeaways



      • Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in at least three sectors of the front on June 12.
      • Russian forces reportedly launched a counterattack on June 12 following Ukrainian tactical gains near the Vremivka salient in western Donetsk Oblast on June 11.
      • Russian milbloggers claimed that poor weather conditions grounded Russian aircraft, impeding Russian defenses against Ukrainian attacks near the administrative border between Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts.
      • Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin announced on June 11 that he had received an order from the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) to subordinate his forces under the Russian military command.
      • The Russian MoD formalization efforts are likely intended to centralize control of Russian irregular personnel and supplies to respond to Ukraine’s counteroffensive, as well as restrict Prigozhin's independence.
      • Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov continues efforts to rhetorically align himself with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and further distancing himself from Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin.
      • Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks south of Kreminna.
      • Ukrainian and Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks around Bakhmut.
      • Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
      • Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near the administrative border of Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts and made gains as of June 12.
      • Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces conducted limited counteroffensive operations southwest of Orikhiv.
      • Social media video footage circulated on June 12 reportedly shows Russian barrier troops shooting Russian forces that abandoned their positions somewhere in Ukraine.
      • Russia continues to strengthen the legal regime in occupied areas of Ukraine under martial law. . . .
    Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near the administrative border of Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts and made gains as of June 12. Geolocated footage shows that Ukrainian forces advanced to positions west of Novodonetske (11km southeast of Velyka Novosilka).[40] Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar and other Ukrainian official sources confirmed on June 12 that Ukrainian forces liberated areas south and southwest of Velyka Novosilka, including Levadne (20km southwest), Novodarivka (15km southwest), Neskuchne (immediately south), Storozheve (3km south), Blahodatne (3km south), and Makarivka (5km south).[41] These statements refute Russian claims that the 127th Motorized Rifle Division (5th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District) recaptured Makarivka as well as claims that Novodarivka is still contested as of June 12.[42] Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces continued to counterattack and advance south of Makarivka on June 12.[43] Some Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces advanced five to six kilometers south of Makarivka and that Russian forces fell back as far as 10 kilometers south of Velyka Novosilka.[44] Milbloggers also reported continued Ukrainian counterattacks southwest of Velyka Novosilka.[45] One milblogger reported that the status of Russian positions in Rivnopil (9km southwest of Velyka Novosilka) is unclear and that Russian forces may have to withdraw from the settlement due to Ukrainian advances east of Rivnopil and south of Velyka Novosilka.[46] . . . .

    Social media video footage circulated on June 12 reportedly shows Russian barrier troops – specialized units that threaten to shoot their own retreating personnel or compel offensives – shooting Russian forces that abandoned their positions somewhere in Ukraine.[54] ISW is unable to confirm whether the footage is authentic at this time. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense reported in November 2022 that Russian forces in Ukraine probably started deploying “barrier troops” and “blocking units” to Ukraine and that Russian generals likely want their subordinate commanders to shoot deserters, including possibly authorizing personnel kill their own deserting servicemen.[55] . . . .

    Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces continue to suffer from high casualties and low morale. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that there has been an increase in desertion cases among Russian “Storm-Z” assault units, and that Russian forces are continuing to suffer significant casualties in the Bakhmut area with 50 servicemen arriving at a military hospital in Perseanovka, Rostov Oblast.[58] The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that 25 Russian servicemen deserted from Mariupol and Novoazovsk due to “unofficial suspension of vacations” that were originally promised by the Russian leadership.[59] . . . .
     
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    Made up silliness Jack -- It is not some big secret "Ukrainian authorities legitimize persecutions" and I have given proof of this to you previously. Tons of atrocities are well attested .. Hence why Congress would not fund the Azov Nazi -- did you need to see the link again Jack ? What part of "Congress forbade funding of the Neo Nazi Extremist" group is not sinking in ?

    No reason to take the bleating denial and desperate Ad Hom Fallacy on display by the cheer team seriously Jack.
     
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    You mean like how Russia continuously meddles with American politics and been proven so. Sounds like superpowers meddling with each other which has happened often in the last 70 years. But, when some blood thirsty dictator throws away 200k Russian lives like they are nothing for his personal ambitions, then that becomes a problem for the majority of the world to denounce.
     
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    More good news today:

    Update from Ukraine | Ruzzia Lost the important General on The South | Ukraine Takes more ground


    12 Jun: Clever. Ukrainians Take 2 Towns WITHOUT FIRING A SINGLE SHOT! | War in Ukraine Explained
     
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    Russian general reportedly killed.

    Former Comander of 201st military base Tajikistan....Sergei Goryachev....KIA in Zaporizhia region.
     
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    I wonder what they hit him with, if it was Storm Shadow, HIMARS or what. Whatever it was, it's always good to hear of another orc general buying a Ukrainian farm :)
     
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    Unfortunately whatever brief new's flashes people post here about small gains made by Ukraine the hard fact remains this offensive is going to be a slow, bloody, grind, another Kerson not another Kharkiv. Russia has had the best part of a year to prepare multiple lines of obstacles and defensive positions and then lay thousands of mines in front of them. And as incapable as Russia has proven itself to be at organizing proper combined armed offensive operations managing a proactive defensive operation from the cover of fixed defenses is a lot easier, especially when the terrain is so open.

    The only real plus for the Ukrainians is that they don't have to advance far to achieve a lot of their objectives. This isn't a march on Moscow, all they need do is grind their way forward (if they can) until, as they currently appear to be trying to do they (A) advance into and or recapture Bakmhut and (B) advance close enough to the east/west road and rail links in Southern Ukraine to place them under Ukrainian guns. Because doing that will cut Russian supply lines almost as effectively as would driving all the way south to the Sea of Azov. (Albeit obviously that would be the best outcome.) And both (A) and (B) would be a PR and military disasters for Putin. Bakhmut because he's gone on national television proclaiming it as Russia' (only) substantive sigh of victory after almost 18 moths of military reverses. And (B) of course puts choke hold on Russian forces in Crimea.

    But Ukraine is going to pay in blood trying to achieve either of them, probably even more than the Russians will.
     
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    Another 20 more Orc generals dead wouldn't hurt my feelings.

    Whatever he was hit with.
     
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    Indeed, indeed.
     

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