Lee Harvey Oswald's Freudian Slip In A Radio Debate With Carlos Bringuier & Ed Butler

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This "debate" took place August 21st, 1963 on Bill Stuckey's radio program, moderated by himself and Bill Slater. It amazes me how articulate Oswald was for someone of his modest education. I think he had dropped out of high school and he was only 23 years old here on this program. Remember he was a Libra --- October 18 was his birthday.

    On part two of the youtube video (approximately 2:47 minutes into it) Oswald commits what I believe is a Freudian slip of the tongue. He says, " I worked in Russia. I was under the protection of the ... uh ... of the uh ... that is, I was not under the protection of the American government ..." [sic]

    I think I first encountered this slip of the tongue when I was reading Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald by Edward Jay Epstein. I think it was in that book or in some other one.

    I also read Spy Saga by Professor Melanson in which he analyses this "debate" and makes some very interesting points.

    [video=youtube;Ao2a9mRWkso]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao2a9mRWkso[/video]

    [video=youtube;ya9BLrmOf2o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya9BLrmOf2o[/video]
     
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    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Was the purpose of this radio program to provide a left cover for Oswald by his handlers because they were already working to set him up to be the communist scapegoat???
     
  3. Lesh

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    It would appear so.

    By the way...this high school dropout supposedly taught himself to speak Russian so well that Russians didn't know he was American
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    That does not constitute a Freudian slip.

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    He did not speak it that well it was in fact readily apparent to all who met him in Russia that he was foreign.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    How could such a project be feasible when no trip Dallas had even been planned by JFK in August 1963.

    In fact one massive fact destroying all conspiracy theories is Oswald was hired at the tsbd before any trip was planned.

    JFK personally planned the trip for his own reasons and even changed his specific plans.

    So explain how Oswald was there ahead of time by someone else's design?

    We're they precognitive? Did they have thousands of such patsies somewhere near every possible destination and route Kennedy could take?

    Or perhaps they stationed him there in the wild hope that someday JFK would drive by the building?
     
  6. Lesh

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    How many people realize that Oswald was only working at the TSBD for a matter of weeks when this happened?

    And of course we now know that there were aborted assassination attempt in Chicago and Miami just before this.

    So if this hadn't happened that day in that place...where WOULD it have happened?

    because it most certainly would have
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Once again the trip was not planned until after Oswald began at the tsbd.

    Explain that fact.
     
  8. Lesh

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    Already did.

    But how odd that Oswald bought the rifle a year before and got the job several weeks before.

    Was he planning an assassination all the way back then with no knowledge of ever having the ability to carry it out?
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No you did not.

    The facts are that Kennedy himself planned the trip to include several crucial changes AFTER Oswald was working at the TSBD.

    Therefore how could any conspiracy have possibly existed since their Patsy was not in a position to flexible had the president gone a different route or never gone to Dallas at all.

    Were they precognitive?

    Did they have thousands of patsies stationed at every possible point to shoot from?

    These are questions based on fact which you cannot answer and they prove no conspiracy.

    Buying a rifle is not odd.

    HE simply bought it to buy it. Nothing unusual about it and makes the assassination more of a crime of opportunity committed by one man which is the only explanation supported by evidence
     
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    As noted...there were two other known assassination plots in other cities (Chicago and Miami) that did not come off ...Dallas could have been a third if things hadn't gone "right". Who knows if there was a fourth or a fifth.

    So Oswald purchased a sniper rifle a year before the assassination...and then just "happened" to get a job in this particular building just weeks before Kennedy went there.

    For the record...Dealy Plaza is a focal point for anyone driving from the airport to the trade mart.

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    Oh yea...and go away troll.no one cares what you have to say
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Here's the Corbett Report on LHO:

    [video=youtube;IWsAoWqc52w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWsAoWqc52w[/video]
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No there were not any other PLOTS in Chicago or Miami sorry your claims are speculation.

    not that there could not have been plots since every president has enemies but your specific claims are unproven.

    No such plot could have existed in Dallas involving Oswald because he was there before any plan was made to come to Dallas.

    Oswald's rifle was not a sniper rifle it was just a cheap rifle and people buy such things. Yes he happened to get a job before Kennedy drove by the building THAt is fact.

    It was a crime of random opportunity.

    Yes Dealey plaza is the logical route to take from love field to the trade mart but what you ignore is Kennedy changed his plans midstream. The original plan involved going to a university to receive a PHD. He changed this plan which in turn led to the destination of the trade mart. Had he continued with his original intent he would not have been driven on Elm street in front of the TSBD.

    Since again you are dodging and evading how anyone could have had all the pieces in place long before they could have known precisely where Kennedy would be.

    And you care whether you hate it or not.

    The facts prove you wrong troll

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    Yes all speculative and avoids the evidence
     
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    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are segments in that video that are taken from another documentary called The Men Who Killed Kennedy, which is a documentary several hours long --- actually 300 minutes. A documentary divided into 6 parts put out by the History Channel.

    http://www.amazon.com/Men-Who-Killed-Kennedy/dp/B00005UW74/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1460132410&sr=1-1&keywords=the+men+who+killed+ke nnedy



    [video=youtube;eKf_huzb7kY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKf_huzb7kY&list=PLKLMacl8yKNvAE2kKQ3AtTKT OIeZERpe3[/video]



     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    And all speculative on other words fiction
     

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