Leftist with guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Hate_bs, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    They played that game in Cal. if you will remember. Anything that looked mean (SKS, Mac-90, AK-47, M-14, AR-15) were outlawed.
     
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    An auto-loader is what most people refer to as Semi-auto.
     
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    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Ya, right. 6.2 trillion and counting in his first term. That's after the nearly 11 trillion we taxed ourselves to give him to spend. My 12 year old granddaughter could have done better than Obama. You talk about an idiot beyond words, Obama is that.
     
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    Most of us vote for the man that hangs closest to what the Constitution says. Acording to the 10th Amendment anything NOT directly given to the federal goverment is the right of the state. You might want to look into that little Amendment before jumping either way. Health care is NOT delegated to the Federal Government so it becomes the right of each state to either vote it in or out as they see fit. With 24,000+ laws on the books on gun control I would say the Federal government have over steped their bounds. Public education is a states right, not a federal one, so get the Federal boys out of it. Ect, ect, ect!!!
     
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    I am sure he won't in a first term for the reason you mentioned. I think his record from his governor days leads me to be wary. I don't really trust either party. I wish they would abolish them both so our leaders would have only one loyalty, the people.
     
  6. Wolverine

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    You are not paying any bills. You will pay those taxes regardless.

    Your situation and your choices do not apply to everyone else, period.

    Um.... nope. I am well aware of that. I do not see how something seventy eight years ago has much bearing on today. There is nothing wrong with jumping through a few hoops for an automatic firearm, however the 1986 NFA is a bit too much.

    Um.... nope. They were not classified as automatic weapons by the president. Which is the premise of my objection.

    That document was also written about two hundred years ago.

    The Federal government does not have 26,000 gun laws, the Federal government has very few. The vast majority of those are in state, counties, and cities.

    Um.... no. Obama some how restrains himself from uttering the absolutely imbecilic words that Santorum utters on a nearly daily basis.

    "You think carbon dioxide is dangerous? Just ask a plant how dangerous carbon dioxide is". A complete imbecile.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    I think parties naturally arise..... so I am not sure how realistic that is.

    I just wish that the GOP would have come up with some better choices. Santorum is a detriment to the party.
     
  8. Texsdrifter

    Texsdrifter Well-Known Member

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    I agree it isn't ever going to happen the parties are too powerful.
    I feel that the control of the parties remove the power of the people. The only way it could be done would be a constitutional amendment. So I doubt the two parties would vote themselves out of existence. One can always dream.

    Yes I agree was thinking Bobby Jindal or some young gun would step forward.
    It appears Mitt was the chosen one. Most of the votes for Santorum I believe are more of protest against Romney than support for Santorum. I had liked Newt the best because he sounded the most intelligent(till the moon colony) I think Obama will out talk every other candidate. I am still sure Santorum will not win. He can not open his mouth without stupid statements coming out.
     
  9. beenthere

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    {{{"""You
    are not paying any bills. You will pay those taxes regardless.""}}}

    Friend, every new spending program they come up with means more taxes out of my pocket as well and the other 49% in this nation that pay taxes and I'm getting tired of handing over a larger part of my income for those of you that want craddle to grave uncle sugar coverage. "Give me free medical care", "Give me a free home to live in", give me free collage money", give me free food", "Give me free clothing", "give me free transportation", give me, give me, give me...... Don't you ever get tired of begging???


    {{{"""Your situation and your choices do not apply to everyone else, period"""}}}

    My situation can be duplicated by ANYONE that's willing to do what it takes.

    {{{"""Um.... nope. I am well aware of that. I do not see how something seventy eight years ago has much bearing on today. There is nothing wrong with jumping through a few hoops for an automatic firearm, however the 1986 NFA is a bit too much"""}}}

    That's like saying that you can't see what bearing the Bill of Rights has on today, 221 years later.

    This is tooo much for you???;

    """The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner""


    {{{"""Um.... nope. They were not classified as automatic weapons by the president. Which is the premise of my objection.""}}}

    No, they were classified as assult weapons because of their looks by your beloved Clinton and California nuts seem to agree and outlawed them for a number of years. And Wol, an SKS was NEVER a automatic weapon but it was on the ban list in California.


    {{{""That document was also written about two hundred years ago.

    The Federal government does not have 26,000 gun laws, the Federal government has very few. The vast majority of those are in state, counties, and cities. """}}}}

    Are you willing to say the same thing about the 1st Amendmend?? Didn't think so but it was also written over 220 years ago.

    I said and I quote;
    " Most of us vote for the man that hangs closest to what the Constitution says. Acording to the 10th Amendment anything NOT directly given to the federal goverment is the right of the state. You might want to look into that little Amendment before jumping either way. Health care is NOT delegated to the Federal Government so it becomes the right of each state to either vote it in or out as they see fit. With 24,000+ laws on the books on gun control I would say the Federal government have over steped their bounds. Public education is a states right, not a federal one, so get the Federal boys out of it. Ect, ect, ect!!!"

    Now please show me where I said 26,000 laws by the federal government. I said with 24,000+ laws on the books. Do you disagree there are over 24,000 laws on the books??? Please note, I did NOT say Federal laws, I simply said laws. And do I believe the Federal government have over stepped their bounds, absolutly!!

    {{{""Um.... no. Obama some how restrains himself from uttering the absolutely imbecilic words that Santorum utters on a nearly daily basis.""}}}

    Do you really thinkl so??? Shall we revisit your buddy claiming the U.S. has 57 States???


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws"]Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States - YouTube[/ame]

    And Good Old "Teleprompter Berry" found himself kind of stuck when it fell and broke;

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation...rls-itself-to-an-untimely-end-the-world-reels

    And then Good Old "Teleprompter Berry" starts stumbling when he gets ahead of his beloved telepromter;

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...er-commits-mutiny-during-major-science-speech

    And then Good Old "Teleprompter Berry"" doesn't know the difference between a window and a door;

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/200...door-billion-stimulus-package-president-obama

    Then Good Old "Teleprompter Berry"" shows callous insensitivity to the handicapped by making fun of the Special Olympics;

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/16...ecial-olympics-joke-lands-him-hot-water.jhtml

    And what did your heros reaction to the Fort Hood massacre;

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

    And talk about being inappropriate in public in a different country at a photo op;

    http://bumpshack.com/2009/07/10/barack-obama-checks-out-girl’s-booty-photos/

    And these are just SOME of his nonsense in year one of his presidency. Go ahead and keep talking about ANY of the GOP candidates and I will keep posting Obama's nonsense.


    {{{"""You think carbon dioxide is dangerous? Just ask a plant how dangerous carbon dioxide is". A complete imbecile"""}}

    Since carbon dioxide is every plant what oxygen is to humans, he made a good point. Your the imbecile for not getting it. And without the plants breathing in the carbon dioxide and exhaling oxygen we wouldn't be around very long. So tell me, is carbon dioxide dangerous to humans at it's present level or even doubled it's present level??? The answer is real simple, look it up.
     
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    I don't beg, however I in a position to see people in need of assistance that they are unable to get anywhere else.

    Your situation does not apply to everyone, period.

    That is exactly what I am saying, so did the founders. They gave the Consitutution flexibility to change with the time. I am not saying that firearms ownership is irrelevant or unnecessary, however the original intent of the Amendment is largely irrelevant today.

    """The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner""


    Um.... nope. That is not the argument I was making. The original unsubstantiated claim was that the Obama administration would classify all sorts of guns at automatics, that is what I was arguing against.

    The definition of an "assault weapon" is so far reaching any semi-automatic could be considered such. The M1 Garand was mentioned in HB 1022, how asinine is that?

    Actually I would. Hence the need for regulation and protection of technologies that did not exist 200 years ago.

    "With 24,000+ laws on the books on gun control I would say the Federal government have over steped their bounds."

    You made no mention of state and local regulations.

    Please do, I would love to see more Obama nonsense when the GOP is making an issue of strengthening profanity laws while we are dealing with a recession.

    Um.... nope. No one is claiming that inhaling carbon dioxide is an issue. The claim is that that gas as well as others can alter the climate of the earth. Santorum is using a strawman to marginalize the issue and a red herring to draw attention elsewhere. Which, instead of being cool about it, he says one of the most asinine things I have ever heard regarding the issue of climate change.
     
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    Firearms are for killing people. Only fools and scoundrels would encourage this, obviously.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Um..... nope. Firearms are of what you sue them for.

    What you are referring to only references maybe .0004% of all firearms in the United States.
     
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    Absolutly wrong, Io, as usual. Guns are mainly used for killing tasty animals. I haven't shot any people yet but I have shot a lot of them there tasty animals.

    [And Io, if no body has told you yet, let me be the first, people aren't that good to eat, or so I have heard.]
     
  15. Wolverine

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    Used, maybe. However he is making the "original intent" argument that has been rehashed and dismissed so many times.

    It makes two false assumptions:

    1. All firearms are designed to kill human beings or other living things.
    2. As if that "original intent" is actually relevant in any way shape or form.

    You can easily dismiss it using the following example:

    Lets take two or my rifles, an M1 Garand and an Anschutz Achiever ST. The M1 Garand was originally designed to kill other human beings on the battlefield. The Anschutz was originally designed to punch holes in paper at competitions.

    So lets say the M1 Garand is used to punch holes in paper at a CMP competition, and the Anschutz used to kill someone in a convenience store.

    What relevance does the original purpose have?

    None.

    Use defines purpose.
     
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    I find your ad homins amusing, they are a tool for the intellectually bankrupt.

    People will not always being the same situation or have the same prostitutes as you. Period.

    What I advocate is giving assistance to those who are unable to be productive. Note the difference between unable and [/i]unwilling[/i]. There is a huge difference and I see both sides of the fence on a daily basis.

    Yep, and that last quote is a known falsehood (check out Snopes).

    Most of the quotes were made in the time before the advent of airplanes and tanks.

    I am well aware of that. However you are moving the goal posts instead of simply conceding a point and raising another. I would like to know how he is going to define all sorts of firearms at automatic weapons, if you are unable to demonstrate this, concede the point and move on.

    Which is why they call them "assault weapons" and not assault rifles.

    Um..... nope. Strawman, which is a fallacy.

    Times change and so should the Constitution. If it did not, the internet and other modern forms of communication would not be protected, and neither would modern firearms.

    I do enjoy laughing at politicians.

    Just because water vapor is a green house agent does not mean others should not be curtailed. I suggest reading some books on climate change.
     
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    My firearms have killed no one......any opinion on that?
     
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    I don't know....some swear by the long pig...
     
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    "The Other White Meat"
     
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    I am a leftist that supports gun rights. Put THAT in yer pipe and smoke it! :shock:
     
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    Its a difficult task for the partisan hacks.
     
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    I will go out shooting any day with a leftist with guns and I will bet we have fun.
     
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    {{""People will not always being the same situation or have the same prostitutes as you. Period.""}}

    And you say you find me amusing??? Let' see, I was refused a job and schooling for a draftsman at Boeing when I was 21 because I didn't have a High school education . When everything went down around here in 69' and the mill shut down I was offered a job as a loan assistant at a major bank by the loan manager but when we started to set off to fill out the paper work he said, "I'm assuming you have a high school diploma"( he was my next door neighbor and we had known each other for 3 years). OOPS! Within 3 months everything here had pretty much went down. So, I took my family down to Oregon (there was a large aluminum plant there) and went to work in a mobile home plant while waiting to get on at the Aluminum plant. Things never work out as you want them. I was making $4.69 an hour at the mill when it went down and was making $2.50 an hour at the mobile home plant. A friend an I decided that it would be nice to see about getting the Union in. It was carpenter work so we went to the Carpenter's Union. To make a long story shot, my friend deceided to play turn coat and ended up as a forman, and I was placed at the begaining of the production line. We won the vote with 74%. Out of this I asked if the carpenters needed any new blood and ended up as a Carpenter's apprentice. I took a job clearing less than I would have gotten on unemployment and ended up making 2 1/2 times what I was at the Mobile home plant. So, yes you are very amusing, Wol. Most of those you are crying about wouldn't have taken the job that payed less than they would have got on unemployment. So keep talking, son, I have lived through 4 economic down turns now and have come out better than I went into them because I have been willing to do more than most.


    {{""What I advocate is giving assistance to those who are unable to be productive. Note the difference between unable and [/i]unwilling[/i]. There is a huge difference and I see both sides of the fence on a daily basis. ""}}

    If that's what you feel is right, then don't let anything stop you from giving assistance (have you been giving said assistance???). But why do you insist that everyone shell out for what your conscience tells you to do?? Oh, and Wol, I have NEVER been unable, just unwilling at times.

    {{"Yep, and that last quote is a known falsehood (check out Snopes).""}}

    I found one (not saying that's all there is but...) trying to argue, not coming out and saying they have found proof, that Hitler didn't say it. The only thing I really found wrong with it was the date. it should have read 1935.

    {{{"""Most of the quotes were made in the time before the advent of airplanes and tanks.""}}

    And those that would do you and your family harm evaporated with the airplane and the tank???


    {{""I am well aware of that. However you are moving the goal posts instead of simply conceding a point and raising another. I would like to know how he is going to define all sorts of firearms at automatic weapons, if you are unable to demonstrate this, concede the point and move on.""}}}

    Considering the last "Assult Weapons ban", I would say that if given the chance Obama would either do the same thing or worse. He already said so. THAT'S THE POINT!!!!

    {{""Which is why they call them "assault weapons" and not assault rifles. ""}}

    As I have already point out, they didn't call the automatic pistols "Assult rifles" now did they.


    {{""Times change and so should the Constitution. If it did not, the internet and other modern forms of communication would not be protected, and neither would modern firearms""}}

    It has, many times with the majority of the people and states doing the changing, not the president or a few "concerned" citizens.


    {{""Just because water vapor is a green house agent does not mean others should not be curtailed. I suggest reading some books on climate change""}}

    And I laugh at your "Global Warming" nonsense. There has ALWAYS been "Climate change". ALWAYS!!!! The coast out here had the same weather California boasts about 6,000 years ago. But MAN DIDN'T have anything to do with it. And please explain why after 8 years of the world preparing for and fighting WW2, with all their coal fire plants (and Wol, at that time they were dirty, no scrubbers or filters) working around the clock cranking out war materials, all ships either coal fired or crude oil fired, the U.S. alone putting over 300,000 planes into the air, tanks, trucks, ect, ect, and what did the world temerature do by 1947??? It went DOWN!!!! So don't make me laugh about what's happening now. For a solid decade we had solar flares (1992 to 2002) and guess what happened?? The Temp went up. And the ice caps on Mars started to melt as well. (Did that little rover we sent up there do that much damage??) And when the solar flairs quieted down the temps started to level off, then they dropped a little. Now we are starting into a new round of solar flairs. So, go ahead, pass a resolution that the sun can't be having these flairs and see how much good it does you.
     
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    I only have my phone, so I can't address your post. However, I must clarify. In the first box you quoted I meant "position"... not prostitute. My apologies.
     
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    Bwahahaha! Spell check? Now I have to clean the coffee out of my nose.
     

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