Lesbians complain about so many of the profiles on dating sites being trans

Apparently now on many lesbian dating sides, more than half the profiles are transgender men-identifying-as-women.
Many of the lesbian women are feeling like this is "invading their space" and many of them feel uncomfortable.

"It's very sad to see women in general being erased ... I see a lot of screenshots of pictures from lesbian dating apps, and, like, every other swipe is a man."​

Jaimee Michell is the founder of "Gays Against Groomers", a gay advocacy group set up to denounce the targeting and sexualization of children by "LGBTQQIP2SAA" activism. Jaimee began the organization in an effort to separate homosexuals from the gender ideology movement, in her words, to "reclaim our good standing in society that we just achieved not that long ago".​

Conversations among lesbians about only wanting to date biological women have been dubbed "transphobic" and "abusive" by activists and media.​

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...inalized-by-gender-ideology-radical-lunatics/

This sounds bizarre, but actually isn't that surprising. For any of you familiar with the online dating world, there is an enormous gender imbalance, far many more men than women. The fact that on so many lesbian dating sites nearly than half the profiles are trans men-identifying-as-women is just one more manifestation of this.

These trans men-identifying-as-women (will use the abbreviation TW) are still attracted to women. But now they are just having trouble finding women who are attracted to them.
As you can imagine, a lot of these lesbians are not biting, and the TW are having trouble finding a woman who wants to go on a date with them.

(TW do have more luck with bisexual women, but even then many say they prefer someone who's one or the other, not a mix of both)

And then of course the worst thing, a lesbian actually goes on a date and discovers that the "woman" meeting her is actually a trans woman (TW). Can make the woman feel extremely uncomfortable, feels deceived, "violated", even "unsafe".

 

Sounds like some folks are taking the ol 'Im a lesbian stuck in a man's body' joke waaaay too far.

 

That's what this is about. Most of these "TW" persons (born men) insist that they are lesbians.

 

And what, then, is the main point of your thread, were you to state it, in one sentence? It is not clear, to me.

 

There is an inevitable clash between the women's rights / lesbian crowd and transgenderism, this is yet another example of it.
Two groups on the Progressive Left side that haven't figured out how to fully reconcile their differences. So the sexual identity movement appears to be fracturing into two factions. Lesbians / feminists, once a darling of the Left, now seem to be thrown under the bus, run over by the new fad.

 

It's a pretty minor "clash." If a lesbian does not want to date a trans woman, she can just ignore those profiles. There is no reason to put any blame upon the trans woman, if the site accepts them. Any lesbian dating site, of course, is free to not accept trans daters; I guess that is just not seen as in their best financial interests.

The only real clash is when someone does not reveal this, up front. But that is not really anything new, or unique to this community-- have you never heard of catfishing? That is a reflection only on the individuals, not the entire group.

 

there is not many trans in this country, sounds like fake outrage to me

'These trans men-identifying-as-women (will use the abbreviation TW)"

so they identify themselves, swipe right or left, whatever it is they do, move on, easy

 

many republicans are lgbtq too, Trump even waved their flag

 

It might seem simple to you, but actually it's not so simple.
It makes these women have to wade through many profiles trying to figure out of their trans. And lots of times they might not be upfront about it, and then it's going to create an extremely awkward (and sometimes even dangerous) situation if the woman agrees to go on a date, not knowing the trans status of the individual who will be meeting her.
A woman might not have taken any preparations or precautions if she thought she was meeting another woman. (There is much lower risk of being sexually assaulted by a lesbian than by a man, not to mention after that individual has been rejected)

A lesbian is going to feel less "safe" when there are men in that space.

(Keep in mind some women even become lesbians after bad traumatic experiences with men)

It's common on dating sites for people to not be altogether honest and upfront about everything.
(Especially with many trans people wanting to fantasize that they are exactly the gender they claim to be, and thinking they shouldn't have to say that they are trans)

At the very least, that's going to result in some inconvenience and mild frustration if half the profiles she swipes through are men.

 

People commonly ignore the rules on dating sites, and I doubt there'd be anyone there to enforce this rule.
Do you think someone is going to review every last picture, out of tens of thousands of profiles, posted on a dating site and say "This one looks like it could maybe be a man, so I'm going to delete their profile" ?
And if they just ban any profile that has the word "trans", that will just make the problem worse because then those individuals will just submit their profile again but not say in words that they are trans.

 

Well, Lesbians are going to face a much more unique (and arguably extreme) problem of catfishing when Trans women (TW) are involved.

It's true that theoretically a regular heterosexual male could try to catfish a woman on a lesbian dating site, but the reality is that is far less likely to happen.
(These males are not setting out to try to date a lesbian woman on that site in the first place, do not have any expectations that a lesbian woman would ever want to date them, and are probably not using such a site in the first place)

 

First off, by breaking my argument into 3 sections, the things you question about each part, have been addressed by the other parts. But to stick to this one part, why could not a T.V. woman not catfish, for example, a straight man? Why could not a trans man, catfish a trans woman? My point is that, as you say, yourself, in addressing a different part of my reply, for anybody, online dating is an uncertain thing, in which one is likely to encounter a great deal of misrepresentation.

So I think that reduces your argument to just saying that lesbians are more vulnerable to trans women, than in any other combination of online dating. That would require evidence, to say that. Do you have any?

 

You are making faulty assumptions about my argument, once again, because you are focusing on one part and not thinking about how that works in, with the others. I was not saying that people could not get around rules. They were the "individuals" I'd mentioned, in another part of my argument, who should be judged as such, as opposed to judging the whole group, as you seem to be doing, by those particular individuals.

I'll try to restore some cohesiveness to my argument, you've broken into pieces. If a site was strictly for lesbians, not trans women, then you are not saying that absolutely no trans women would respect that, are you? So then, I am comparing the ones who would misrepresent themselves, to the disingenuous daters, of all stripes, one may encounter through online dating.

If the site allows both lesbians and trans lesbians, but expects you to identify your physical sex, you still have the two groups: those who are honest, at least about that basic fact, and those who are dishonest. You could switch to any other criteria, besides birth sex, and see the same phenomenon: for example, those who lie versus tell the truth about what type of relationship they're looking for; about whether or not they are seeing anyone else, or are even married; about their STD status-- you name it! In that realm, it is understood to be buyer beware.

So, you would not judge all men, because some married men, pretend to be single, right? Likewise, it seems poorly-predicated, for you to saddle the entirety of trans womanhood, with the image of lying to lesbians, online, just because some may.

 

"(Keep in mind some women even become lesbians after bad traumatic experiences with men)"

that means they were bi-sexual, but they only choose women going forward

same as a heterosexual may avoid certain of the opposite sex if a bad experience

 

It can and indeed does happen. This is a problem that men face in the modern world.
But I'm sure you would agree that women can be especially vulnerable in these sort of situations, and a man is expected to be able to hold his own... is probably not going to be so easily overpowered physically.
Hopefully I don't need to go into all the specifics, since it should be obvious with a little thought.

But I think that lesbians in these sorts of situations face some special and more extreme challenges.

Your argument is the equivalent of saying who cares about teen girls walking down dark alley ways, because anyone in society could be assaulted in that situation.
Or who cares about black people, because anyone in society could find themselves suffering mistreatment because of their race.
Or who cares about abuse in prisons, because anyone in society could suffer abuse from authorities.

Very much more so.
It's not just comparing lesbians to other groups that could get victimized, but also comparing the situation lesbians faced before to the situation they face now.

 

Not necessarily, FreshAir. Maybe you don't understand extreme emotional trauma and how women work.
You can find plenty of stories about women not able to enjoy sex with their husbands because they suffered some previous horrific sexual trauma before marriage.

I won't go into further discussion with you about this since this would be taking the discussion off topic, is not that important to the point I was trying to make.

 

What you are ignoring is that women understand that they are more vulnerable than men, in general. If you, Kazenatsu, are aware of the potential that someone on a lesbian dating site is actually trans, I'm going to guess that most lesbians using these sites, are aware of that possibility, as well. Therefore, women, I would imagine, pick safer venues for first time meetings with online blind dates. Does that not seem reasonable to surmise?

Also, of course, the mere fact that a woman may be more vulnerable to an attack, in no way qualifies as proof that there is a significantly likelihood that they might be attacked. Besides the fact that most men aren't rapists, I would, myself, expect that men who have transitioned into women, would be only less likely, to be the type to attack members of that sex. So, I'll ask again for your evidence that there is a substantial risk from this, but your failure to cite any statistics after the last time, makes me doubtful that you have anything to cite.

In fact, here is a scenario which contradicts your assumption, that any time a woman is on a date with a genetic male, she is at risk of a sexual attack, because men are generally bigger & stronger. That was your argument, right? So, since dates do not take place in vacuums, that means that even when a lesbian meets another lesbian, she is at risk of attack, from all the men, who are also out. True, they are not on a date with her, but would you contend that most rapists are deterred, for lack of a formal introduction, to their victim?

Continuing this line of thought, let us ask which is greater, the chance of attack from the lone, trans woman, whom she has met on a date, or from every other man in the area? I think the answer should be obvious. That being the case, her being with a genetic male, instead of being with another lesbian, using your argument's assumptions, should make her safer, as she will have better protection, in the event that one of those other males in the environment, attacks them.

 

are you saying we are one trauma away from changing the gender we're sexually attracted too, do you think you could change?

I could not change, I believe one has to be bi to start with

but if people can change as you say, that is ok too

now if you're moving the goal post to say that women can get ptsd and fear men, sure, that can happen, can happen to men too (but that is much different then a huge change in your sexual attractions)

now what can happen is a bi-sexual that repressed their sexual attractions to the same gender could upon such trauma turn to it, but the sexual attraction was already there all along

 

If these Lesbians aren't bigotted haters, they won't object to having sex with the girl penises these transwoman have.

 

I wonder if part of the trans identity is similar to what used to be part of the incell.

Ugly enough from what I hear about gay dating sites for men it's like 50% femboys.

 

The thing I don't understand is trans women really are women and what everyone debuffs to believe that they're lesbians why don't they date each other.

Unless they really know that they're actually men and aren't really gay men themselves.

 

What I meant is that some women who are "lesbians" are not really innately "lesbians", not in the sense of being especially inclined to be sexually attracted to women. But they may choose to be in a relationship with women nevertheless, because of the trauma they associate with men. Women (in general) have more fluid sexuality, so they can do this. (That does not mean they are "bi" either)

Usually such women have extremely traumatic histories, such that you or I could barely begin to imagine how that might effect them.
In such a case, it could be said that being lesbian is more a lifestyle choice than a biological orientation. Their body is still programmed to be attracted to men, but every time they're with a man (especially sexually) they have flashbacks to horrific incidents that happened in their past.

 

many people are bi-sexual, for those, a trauma may be what causes them to date the other gender, but truma doesn't turn someone into a lesbian, the attraction was already there, they just did not act on it

 

agreed. that's based on a close friend of mine-she was raped as a teen, never could get over it, dated several men, but the trauma kept coming back to break the relations up, now in a committed marriage with another woman for the last 20 years

 

what this crap these dating sights are doing is demanding lesbians change their orientation. they are just a different variety of bible thumper.