LGBT bill to ban therapy for youth on sexual orientation issues is stalled in Mass.

Im not sure you understand the issue. its not that they may or may not want to be gay; its how others perceive them. They don't want to disappoint their parents or be ridiculed by others. Your example is not realistic and if you go to the root of not wanting to be gay, it would be because of what someone else thinks of them.

One may say that acceptance of homosexuality has created more homosexuality. Or, could it be that there were gay people all along, but only now are comfortable coming out because of acceptance.

I worked with a guy for years and never knew he was gay. Once his father passed away, he came out. He felt that his father would not accept him that way.

The days of sending kids to straight camp are over. There is nothing wrong with being gay and it is hard enough to deal with those thoughts without others adding shame, evil, and (Insert stigma here!).

 

Conversion therapy needs to be banned nationally, immediately. This causes suicide, self mutilation, and much damage to children who are gay.

 

I once despised coffee but now, I can't walk by a coffee store and smell that delicious aroma without going in and getting a cup. If I try to pass by, I keep thinking of the cup I could be drinking.

I know that I wasn't born wanting coffee but it became a learned trait, no different than you learned to like gay-sex.

 

The help Should be helping them accept it. I understand not wanting to be gay. But I also know that it cannot be removed. The best help doesn't come from people that have an agenda of removing homosexuality.

There is no licensed therapies to do such a thing.

No hope of not being gay if they are gay? There is no hope of not being gay. People shouldn't commit suicide over it. They should seek help in accepting and living with their sexuality. It isn't something you can just change. No therapy legitimately claims to change it either.

 

I'm not gay and I've never had gay sex.

People's taste in food often changes over time.

You're focusing only on the sexual side of people being gay.

The general scientific opinion is that peoples' sexual orientation varies across a spectrum with some being completely heterosexual (and therefore repulsed by the notion of any kind of sex or intimacy with the same sex) on one end and being completely homosexual on the other end (and similarly repulsed by the notion of any kind of sex or intimacy with the opposite sex).

In the middle could be any number of variants of bisexuality. A gay man might be 100% happy living with, being in love with and sharing his life with another man but still find women to be aesthetically attractive to some degree. The opposite could be said of a straight man.

Some people can enjoy physical intimacy with either sex but only have romantic and emotional feelings for one or the other. So they'd probably choose to want to live with one that comports to the latter ideal even if they occasionally have sex with the other.

Indeed, people's sexuality may change over time but that does not mean that that fluidity itself is not something they're born with. It may be a dormant characteristic.

That all said there is no evidence of any "therapy" that can change the sexuality of a person "in the moment" and the fact the the only "therapies" that claim they can, do it in one direction only (gay to straight) is a clear signal that the practice is political, sociological or religious in its motives. It if it were neutral, therapists could offer this "highly effective" therapy in both directions but they don't. Why is that?

 

Conversion "Therapy" has been proven on numerous occasions to massively increase the chance of suicide and other mental health problems.

It needs to be wiped from this earth. I don't care if you think it's your right as a parent to psychologically abuse your children. If you think so, your children should be removed from you and you should be forbidden from contact with minors.

 

Sexual attraction is an instinct and it is something we are absolutely born with. So no it isn't learned, it's evolutionary.

 

I can understand not wanting to be a sex addict for personal health. Not wanting to be gay is due to wanting to fit in. It certainly isn't a threat to your health. Therapy is better suited in showing people that being part of the crowd isn't always the best thing. Wanting to fit in can be detrimental to your mental health.

First you must do no harm. People being gay does no harm. Attempting to suppress these instincts does harm.

They are shaming them and damage is being done. That is why people are pushing for a law against it.

It's going to happen.

No, they are being pushed because there are no techniques, it's really just the practice of aversion conditioning, and shaming. Those techniques will never change a person's sexuality. Nobody really thinks they actually work.

 

No licensed therapist could help gay people become straight. Doing so is a violation of ethics.

Well it likely isn't against their will to be gay. It's typically against their cult dictates to be gay. That isn't their will, but programming. it is important for mental health that these people be deprogrammed.

 

So when is the last time someone told you that you were going to hell for liking coffee? How about your father telling you that you are not his son? It is not natural to like coffee!!!

Its not even close to the same thing.

 

And who says that NAMBLA isn't still heavily involved in the LGBTQ movement? Spiritual and psychological therapy has helped many sexually confused people (most who were either sexually molested as children or grew up in dysfunctional homes) find a way out of their 'deathstyle'.

 

Those who are sexually and gender confused have extremely high rates of suicide, primarily because they've been fooled into believing that there is no way out of their 'deathstyle'. Look at CDC reports on HIV/AIDS and other STD's amongst homosexuals and you'll see why there is so much misery, disease and death amongst homosexuals. Spiritual and psychological therapy is the way to freedom, unfortunately many in our society don't want others to be free.

 

Newsflash, they've tried it the other way and it caused death, depression and destruction. It's really only been the last decade that kids could tell someone at school they were gay and feel generally supported. Prior to that they hid it from their peers, parents and anyone else out of fear of abuse and rejection. Denying their sexuality NEVER worked, so we as a nation are trying it the other way. With far better results might I add.

 

no it's not... gay kids are still committing suicide....

 

allow me to highlight the important word that you used.

Thus why no laws should be made providing favor to those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle and to deny much needed counseling either

 

Hopelessness is why people hang themselves.

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Yes, I did read it. it's five pages, including definitions. Very short and to the point.

 

That is your opinion! You can't pretend to know if someone does not want to be gay. You can't assume they don't only because of being stigmatized.

 

Why is helping them become gay the only option? If a patient says they don't want to be gay, isn't it the professional's duty to try to understand why rather than assume why? People give the examples of the religious home and all the negativity a gay kid gets around them. What about the kid raised in a gay family, who resents it as much as any other kid resents his family for a host of reasons?

You assert it's something that cannot change, but that's all it is, an assumption with no basis in fact.

 

Broken record. Everyone wants to be gay. That's so presumptuous and pretentious, I can't even believe it. Human sexuality is way too dynamic for that.

 

Again, it's either all gay or nothing. That's incredible. You have no idea how many kids this will hurt. It's no better than telling them they must be hetero. Let the individuals and their doctors figure it out. The state can go to hell.

 

the next time I'm a victim of a crime... I going to claim that while I was being attacked... they did it because they thought I was gay.

The next time I don't get a job that I interview for, I'm going to claim that they didn't hire me because they thought I was gay.... I don't actually have to be gay... I just have to let everyone think it....

"but wait, you're married..... "

well, I just haven't wanted to admit it....


now, punish the guy with an added hate crime on top of the normal crime.
now, go ahead and pay me the salary I would have received had you not passed hiring me because I was gay....


I don't want to be gay, but I won't mind if you THINK I'm gay.... I get better protections under hatecrime laws and better pay vs how much I have to actually work.

 

No one is saying anyone "wants" to be gay, most homosexuals would admit life would have been far easier had they been straight simply because being different makes life generally more difficult - thankfully that is changing with reguard to homosexuality.

At issue is accredited state licensed therapists preforming unverified or discredited behavioral therapies that have shown to be highly ineffective and in some cases have damaged the patient. Why is this so difficult to discuss? That's the summary of the entire bill.

 

shoot

there are cruel people everywhere who pick on everything

 

There's no evidence to support the conclusion you drew from your premise.

While there is a higher prevalence of STDs among some male homosexuals (probably due to easier access to sex), the majority of homosexuals do not have any STDs

You're conflating spiritual and psychological which is the subject at the root of this thread.

People can still get all the "spiritual" therapy they want. Nobody is banning "spiritual" therapy. You can still take your kid to an astrologist or a crystal healer or a religious faith-healer but they can't carry out these practices in the guise of state licensed therapists (other than a basic business license, where one is required).

If I told you I was a state licensed therapist and that I would treat you differently depending on whether you were a Pisces or a Virgo what would YOU think?

What people tout as "conversion therapy" has no more record of a success rate than snake charming.

 

In some cases, cardiologists kill people instead of saving them. That's why they call it practicing. It wouldn't be much of a challenge to find some cases of people damaged by virtually any kind of psychiatric therapy for virtually any kind of psychological condition. Who believes everyone can be fixed of anything by any method of therapy?

The political process is biased and corrupt. Everyone knows how these studies originate and their intended purpose, because the APA and others have stated as much. The goal is to make people happier gay, which may not be what the patient wants.

You don't believe in laws prohibiting sex change operations, do you? I guarantee you will find some cases of people having the procedure and suffering greatly mentally as a result. Those people chose to identify as something other than they're assigned chromosomes, which is far more definitive than any argument for innate homosexuality. You cannot change your chromosomes, no matter what you do to your anatomy.