Libyan father kills own raped daughters in honor killing.

I detest honour killing.. I hate honour killing....Honour killing is despicable in all of its various manifestations...Happy now?

 

Blah, blah, blah.

 

You are doing a workman like job of trying to construct a defense to an argument I never made. I asked about East Asia and Latin America, not about Islam. Only primitive people from primitive societies murder their daughters because the daughters were violently raped.

You think I've moved the goal post on you? I don't agree. I've simply blindsided you. I know I've surprised you, but surprise is something one encounters repeatedly in life. Blindsiding people is a true pleasure.

 

Do East Asians or Latin Americans kill their daughters after the daughters have been violently raped.

 

I don't know, not that the 'splitting of hairs' in terms of you mentioning the nature of that specific form of honour killing, is relevant to the debate..But you have already made your mind up that they don't. As far as you are concerned, that particular activity is restricted to muslims and that such an activity is routine.

 

You haven't blinded me at all, rather you've constructed a strawman which I exposed and subsequently destroyed.

 

You're on a roll, zulu, keep digging.....ROFL

 

Haha. Come on kid.

I am well aware that the practice of a father murdering his daughter for being violently raped is not limited to the Muslim world. It still exists in some Hindu castes. But Hindus are not mired in a culture that is incapable of dealing with modernity.

 

Nope, sorry. I'm not the one digging.

 

There you go again, introducing another strawman....Lol.

 

One's attitude is like the squares of toilet paper stuck to a shoe. It follows one around everywhere. Don't you agree?

 

Are you an englishman zulu? You seem like an englishman.

 

I'm like a chigger that gets under the skin and goes to town. Are you having fun yet?

 

Ok Albert, thanks for the exchanges...Respect!

 

Very perceptive Albert. Where are you from?

 

A zulu Englishman? Never met one yet.

 

Oh, but you are. You just don't realize it.
By all means, continue.

 

And this is supposed to justify and excuse this demented cockroach for slitting the throats of his 3 young daughters after they had been raped?

 

My guess is, he's from Boston.

Do I win something?

 

What I marvel at is these men bring their daughters and wives to America and then get all crazy and murderous because these women become "too westernized." Are these men so stupid that they didn't think this might happen?

If this culture is too decadent and too obscene for their women, why bring them here in the first place?

When a television executive cuts his wife's head off in NY state or a father runs over and kills his daughter in Phoenix and I read that "it happens in other cultures, too" I call BS on that.

Because someone says other religions and cultures do it, that makes it okay? Not for me. Right here, in America, where it matters to me, I only read about this happening with muslims.

I don't read that Guatemalans are coming here with their families and killing their women because they became "too westernized" or because they were raped. Someone show me those stories. I just might - MIGHT - change my mind.

But don't count on it.

 

Dear Albert Trinnity Dutch hummingbird and others..


It seems that after seeking to attack the muslim people over this terrible deed, you failed to acknowledge zulu's point about patriarchial violence.

You correctly asserted that such killings as these in response to rapes do not generally go on in other cultures.

However, you then admitted that this practice goes on in Hindi cultures. Admitting this then, you Albert Di Salvo, then deliberately deflected your own admission by telling us that muslims cant embrace modernity....

So....it seems at every point your trying to place barbaric violence at the door of islam. You refuse to admit it occurance elsewhere, and when you do you then ignore the implications of this and deflect about some nebulous concept of modernity.

Now hopefully you guys can explain yourselves or at least tell me what ive missed that means you guys arent simply embarrassing yourselves.


While you think about it all, think about this;

China and many other poor places - millions of girl babies murdered at birth.

Africa, tribal mass murder and rape on a grand scale every year. Witchcraft, aids epidemics etc etc.

The west, eastern europe East asia and latin america, wide scale sexual violence and exploitation against women. Millions of cases.

Thinking about all that....why do you persist on picking on muslim people over incidents such as these? Get back to me anyone when you can with a good response - no baiting or bigotry please, just well made lucid points.

Zulu...youre doing an ok job, keep it up.


Creation

 

for what it is worth I think that you misunderstand Hummingbird and others. What is lacking in Snake's response is the condemnation of this action instead of reflecting by claiming it is as bad elsewhere. In my experience the latter will be seen as a form of justification and justification is inappropriate in relation to the actions of this father.

 

Moderators - please ditch this thread as Don Glock started a thread on the exact same subject prior to Dutch Clog Cyborg starting this one. It's not like this is a broad subject with many areas of sub-discussion.

 

Interesting.

Why do we require Snake to condemn this act? Isnt such condemnation a given for all decent reasonable people?

The only purpose of this thread I put it to you, is not to consider this deed in isolation but to link to the wider culture and place the blame on islam. Would you not agree?

 

In 2008 a woman was killed in Saudi Arabia by her father for "chatting" to a man on Facebook. The killing became public only when a Saudi cleric referred to the case to criticise Facebook for the strife it caused.

A June 2008 report by the Turkish Prime Ministry's Human Rights Directorate said that in Istanbul alone there was one honor killing every week, and reported over 1,000 during the previous five years. It added that metropolitan cities were the location of many of these, due to growing Kurdish immigration to these cities from the East.

In 2009 a Turkish news agency reported that a 2-day-old boy who was born out of wedlock had been killed for honor. The maternal grandmother of the infant, along with six other persons, including a doctor who had reportedly accepted a bribe to not report the birth, were arrested. The grandmother is suspected of fatally suffocating the infant. The child's mother, 25, was also arrested; she stated that her family had made the decision to kill the child.

A girl in Turkey was killed after her family heard a song and thought she had a boyfriend.[33] In 2010 a 16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives for befriending boys in Southeast Turkey; her corpse was found 40 days after she went missing.[34] Ahmet Yildiz, 26, a Turkish physics student who represented his country at an international gay conference in the United States in 2008, was shot leaving a cafe in Istanbul. It is believed Yildiz was the victim of the country's first gay honor killing.

There are no exact official numbers about honor killings of women in Lebanon; many honor killings are arranged to look like accidents, but the figure is believed to be 40 to 50 per year.
A 2007 report by Amnesty International said that the Lebanese media in 2001 reported 2-3 honor killings per month in Lebanon, although the number is believed by lawyers to be higher. On Aug 4th 2011 the Lebanese parliament agreed with a majority to abolish Article 562 which for years worked as an excuse for honor killing.

The Palestinian Authority, using a clause in the Jordanian penal code still in effect in the West Bank, exempts men from punishment for killing a female relative if she has brought dishonor to the family.
Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, promised to change the discriminatory law, but no action has been taken. According to UNICEF, in 2000 two-thirds of all killings in the Palestinian territories were honor killings.

As many as 133 women were killed in the Iraqi city of Basra alone in 2006—79 for violation of "Islamic teachings" and 47 for honor killings, according to IRIN, the news branch of the U.N.'s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. Amnesty International says that armed groups, not the government, also kill politically active women and those who did not follow a strict dress code, as well as women who are perceived as human rights defenders.[40]
Jordan, considered one of the most liberal countries in the Middle East, still has instances of honor killings.

In Jordan there is relatively little sex discrimination compared to other most other countries in the region, and women are permitted to vote, but men receive reduced sentences for killing their wives or female family members if they have brought dishonor to their family. Families often get sons under the age of 18—legally minors—to commit honor killings; the juvenile law allows convicted minors to serve time in a juvenile detention center and be released with a clean criminal record at the age of 18. Rana Husseini, a leading journalist on the topic of honor killings, states that “under the existing law, people found guilty of committing honor killings often receive sentences as light as six months in prison”.

Alot more around the world can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Middle_East