Lies about liberals corrected

It seems many people like to declare the motives of other people in order to make them seem sinister. One of those groups is people who are liberal. So I figure I would correct some of the lies about liberals so people might recognize them and know when a certain person who claims to be liberal is not being so.

First off liberals are open to ideas and freedom. This means they are not going to force you to be something you are not because they happen to accept a certain group others do not. No, they want you to be you and other people to be themselves within reason. That reason part means if you feel the need to change or harm other people that is not fitting within their beliefs. Conservatives often seek to have people be the status quo because they feel that is the best way. A liberal is open to people being different and likes those differences. That means if someone tells you a liberal wants Christians to go away, or they tell you they are liberal and want Christians to go away, they are wrong. A liberal is happy Christians exist, but also wants Muslims, Jews, atheists and even jedi to exist as people wish.

Liberals understand that multiple ideas can work in harmony to cover the weakness of extremism. What do I mean by that? A liberal can see that certain parts of our society may operate efficiently and at their best when governed by socialist principals while other areas of society may flourish through capitalist environments and regulations. A liberal looks to multiple ideas and how they can work together to make things run rather than being stuck with one way to operate. Some have decided that this open mindedness is actually liberals trying to make everyone communist or socialist as some form of invasion of American ideals when the opposite is true. The liberal values freedom and ideas and understand the systems that run our world to the point where they operate the best.

A liberal is not an anarchist. The next stone that is often thrown at liberals is that they don't want any rules and everyone can do anything they want. That is anarchy and a liberal understands that some systems we work with need regulation to ensure the freedom and liberty of the other people in the environment. For instance one cannot let companies operate without regulations as they tend to enslave people and harm the environment around them because they exist to make the most profit they can. A liberal understands a well regulated market allows for the survival of the consumer and the corporation in harmony and sometimes we need rules.

A liberal does believe in a social contract and laws. Behaviors that harm others, oppress others so a liberal understands this and seeks only to limit activities when they pose a unacceptable danger to others. A liberal actually recognises the value of guns or drugs to those people who use them responsibly even if it is just for recreational purposes. A liberal also understands that there are dangers to society from these things and there for licensing and regulation are important to keep the danger levels down while allowing responsible people to enjoy as many different activities as possible. A liberal recognises that a person can take a certain amount of personal risk upon themselves as long as they are not risking others safety.

Does anyone else have any areas where liberals have been lied about or maligned?

 

This isn't something unique to liberals. The response to the Parkland shooting has been particularly disgraceful, apparently I'm not enthusiastic about gun freedoms, I just want dead children. That's my true motive. The gun freedoms are just a means to that end.

It's a symptom of the polarisation of society. Everyone has to be othered. Identity politics is a virulent cancer which will destroy nations if left unabated.

People have lost faith that their neighbour, despite disagreements on policy, deep down only want what's best for people. That's really sad.

As I see it, the only solution is to bring government back to a level approachable by its citizens, to have jurisdictions that are small, at most a few million. Switzerland is a good example of how a small nation with very decentralised power throughout the cantons can weather different cultures, different views, and remain relatively respectful of each other.

When "liberals" and "conservatives" are groups of over 100 million the stakes are incredibly high and so is the rhetoric.

We nerd a return to trust in our common humanity.

 

The OP would have you believe that liberals dont believe in hurting others. Too bad the voices of the millions of aborted babies that they approve of being killed cant be heard.

 

I believe that's because protoplasmic goo does not possess vocal cords.

 

That sir is completely incorrect. Any decent website detailing fetal development would inform you that a child ceases to be anything remotely approaching protoplasmic goo by the end of the 1st week of pregnancy. By week ten when most abortions are performed, the only difference between the child in the womb and the child out of the womb is size and lung capacity. To state other wise is simply dishonest.

 

. . . And blah, blah, blah. As Joseph Stalin correctly pointed out, liberals are the useful idiots that nation hating leftist radicals hide behind while doing their very best to destroy a robust nation. We can see that happening today; and to a certain extent it is working. Liberal = Useful Idiot. Period.

 

I'm sorry to tell you, but liberalism and socialism are incompatible. you can't espouse liberty and freedom for all while promoting socialism and not be contradictory.

 

Not yet, anyway.

 

It seems some people like to spin the motives of other people in order to make them seem less sinister. Do you claim to speak for ALL liberals?

 

If the abortion is after brain activity - then yes, it could cause pain.

If it is before brain activity - about 10-12 weeks - there is no pain whatsoever caused (at least not to the fetus).

That is why I am strongly against abortions after there is brain activity in the fetus. But reluctantly, for it before that time.


BTW - I am neither Dem nor Rep.

 

Point is, there WOULD BE brain activity if allowed to live. Just like there would be pain and pleasure and LIFE if allowed to thrive. Abortion removes that option.

 

Liberals do like change. When there is a proven concept that works.....it is their nature to change it.

 

The point I was addressing was the following from logical1 'The OP would have you believe that liberals dont believe in hurting others.'

My point was about inflicting pain - not the futures of said fetuses had they not been aborted (that is your point).

 

I understand your point. IMHO, taking away a chance for a life is the ultimate 'hurt' we can inflict on a living being. Pain is irrelevant, death is forever.

 

I have seen too many people who killed themselves and led hugely unhappy and unloved lives to believe that life is always preferable to non-life. I have known many people who literally have wished they were never born - and stated as such.

You want to believe otherwise - go ahead. But not me.

And if there is no brain activity - the fetus is not a 'living being'. It does not begin living until the brain begins to function. And even many scientists do not think sentience begins until long after that (I do not necessarily agree with them).


After there is brain activity - to me, an abortion is personslaughter (my term).

Before that - it should be legally fine.

 

"Liberals versus Conservatives" is not the state of current U.S. government. It's a Complex of government related and other entities with overlapping purpose and interests versus the people who pay for it. It is a carefully crafted illusion that U.S. interests consist of good people of conscience who merely differ ideologically, and the Complex laughs behind its hand as it perpetuates that illusion. I don't know if that's "sinister," but it's $$ motivated and is purposefully dishonest. The Complex consists of the following:

Direct government employees, underworked, overpaid, WAY overbenefited (see McCabe retirement) often affirmative action related employees of government at all levels. This includes necessary local employees from school teachers to firefighters, and a whole HOST of bureaucrats doing about 1/3 the work of a private sector worker for FAR greater average compensation.

"Gov edu" Not direct government employees, but employees of government entities related to education and other quasi government entities including government related PACs and LW propaganda organizations related to folks like David Brock, George Soros, others, shareblue, Correct the Record, mediamatters, MANY other propaganda groups.

"Unions" Mostly public unions, huge national entities like the NEA to locals, enabled during the Kennedy Administration, and if there is a "sinister" aspect of the Complex, this is a big one. Represents a direct conflict of interest with the taxpayers who fund their vast propaganda efforts. Responsible for all the divisive identity politics lie narratives on race and the black grievance industry, gender and the many lie narratives of feminism, firearms, "blue v red states," wealth inequality, deflections/projections of government wrongdoing to the private sector, failures of capitalism, anti US rhetoric, etc. Most of what is posted here from the left and elsewhere is the product of this Complex branch. Departed long ago from merely advocating for their employees to creating and spreading hateful, harmful narratives that divide the country.

"Contractors" No, not building contractors in the private sector, but government crony contractors including large private sector corporate crony capitalists, a primary graft wing of the Complex. Everything from defense contractors on down to the lovely cronies who rip off the public while enriching politicians. This is the main way politicians go into government middle class and come out a couple of decades later multimillionaires despite not providing any recognizable goods and services. There are tens of millions of these in the economy, including under the table kickback arrangements. For one of millions of examples, in the county adjacent to mine, there is a monopoly towing company that gets all the police towing, related to local politicians. Get a speeding ticket there or if they decide to fabricate a DUI, and you are likely to have your car towed under false pretenses for $300 dollars or so, often for a very short tow.

"Grantees" "Grant writing" was never intended to be a type of permanent job, yet it is in our economy. Government entities distribute tens to hundreds of billions of grants, everything from foreign aid to research on robotic squirrels and why fat girls can't get dates. Our nonprofit industry, which served the public good in the past, has been corrupted into a gigantic graft pool that enriches all manner of cronies unjustly. Starting a nonprofit and then raising money and grants as opposed to doing charity is -not- how charity is supposed to work in any country. Detracts and siphons off funds from the well-meaning donor class into pure waste and graft.

"Trial Lawyers" TV lawyers, and so many other types of plaintiff's lawyers that fabricate illegitimate lawsuits out of thin air, enriching lawyers and a tiny fraction of faux victims. Perhaps the most powerful lobby of the left that profits from all the divisive, jury poisoning Complex lie narratives and regulatory graft.

"MSM" The mainstream media including Hollywood, television, print and other "entertainment" who enriches itself on 1. the divisive Complex lie narratives; "victims" and the stupid buy more and more impulsively, 2. Complex redistribution from smart consumers of character to unintelligent, permanent underclasses of weak character. Celebrity culture and all the bilge polluting our airwaves are products of this branch of the Complex. For decades, the Complex MSM controlled a hegemony on public discourse. The net and alternative nonleft media has made inroads there, which terrifies the Complex MSM into all the many lie narratives and speech-stifling that backfire on it more and more. This branch hates Trump and the threats to their eroding hegemony he represents.

That's the true division, Complex v the rest of us, and by my informal estimate, that rotten Complex fiat/graft economy "employs" over 100 million people. This was never intended in the Constitutional Republic, and must be corrected or we are done as a country.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe all life is precious and should be treated as such. Especially when it comes to those who cant protect themselves.

 

We live in a world where a small segment of our society has come to believe that they are some how intellectually superior to everyone else on the planet. They are of course delusional and to the point where there'll never be a way to convince them they are wrong. The origin and pathology of this delusion is elusive. I suspect it has to do with childhood trauma and they have retreated into a world of their own making in order to cope. They have difficulty maintaining that illusion in the real world and have set about finding ways to deconstruct the real world. They 're not trying to change the world to make it better, they are trying to make it conform to their skewed vision. To that end they tilt at endless windmills and bogey men in a world that refuses to conform to their twisted reality. They imagine injustice everywhere and glom onto causes that exist only in their minds even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Their crusade has even created it's own language in an effort to support their claims. It is often accusatory and bent on changing the meaning of commonplace language, there is no extreme too ridiculous to be excluded from this lexicon of absurdities. Unfortunately when something is repeated often enough it can be erroneously perceived as the truth by some. Fortunately this nonsense is fairly easy to spot and the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. Trying to defend one's self against absurd accusations gives them an air of credibility which is what the PC crowd so desperately want. Progressivism is a mental disorder and political correctness is only one of many symptoms. The absence of any real "progress" in five plus decades is a pretty good indicator of of the depth of this delusion and the magnitude of this psychosis.

 

Fair enough.

 

It is no surprise that Stalin is the mentor of the Fascist Right.

 

Wow! That's a pretty baseless statement, what do you base this on or are you just parroting meaningless liberal drivel? Please enlighten us.

 

No interest the the areas in which conservatives are maligned?

 

More Liberal pap than humanely tolerable.
The fact that Liberals on College campus' refuse to allow
conservatives a voice on their campus' is proof enough.
Then when a Conservative books a speaking engagement,they
are either told days before that something came up and their engagement
was cancelled.Or that not enough seats were booked.
If said Conservative does manage to make his booking,Liberal
students Protest outside and block those from entering and/or
get Violent { not merely content to shout down with words like
Fascist }.
This is all a matter of public record.Not some dopey opinion Thread
created in defense of Liberalism.
Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal.We're not talking Jeffersonian
Liberalism.We are talking a virulent often violent form of Liberalism.
Where any opposing voice are stifled to the point of rank
bullying.Liberals are Liars and Bullies.
You'll never find a Conserative Group pull that kind of crap
when a Liberal has a speaking engagement on a college campus
or ANYWHERE ... Period.

 

You can't be for liberty and be the 'party of law and order' and not be contradictory either, but conservatives try to attest to both values. All ideologies have to weigh conflicting interests in state power, public service, and individual liberty to balance them and secure their priorities.

 

What you're talking about there isn't liberalism, it's either libertarianism or anarchism. Don't mix those up.