LINK Between Governor's PARTY, & COVID, Per Capita DEATH RATES

Is that your excuse?

 

Which part of the game do you think resembles soccer?

 

I have no idea! Following you saying that American football is developed from rugby, I fact checked you. And I saw this:

American football evolved from the sports of rugby and soccer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football#Early_history

 

Excuse for what?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...onal-sports-bar.586190/page-2#post-1072520257

 

Instead of discussing what i quoted directly from the study you have done nothing but cheap shots.. Do you want to discuss the study or not?

 

While I am aware that I have personal beliefs about numerous FOX personalities, based solely on clips played on MSNBC, I do not state these as facts, on PF, because of the clear potential bias of the source. That is to say, you only devalue your own opinion, in others' eyes, if you so easily make some, "conservative commentator's," opinion, your own. Why would anyone bother to debate a topic with someone who was utterly unable to cite a single supporting example for their argument, other than, "well that's what some conservative commentator said?" This reply of yours, Chris-- if you will recognize the basketball expression-- is a big air-ball.

 

As I've pointed out to you, numerous times, except for very short periods, almost no businesses have been, "shut down," here, in Connecticut, 50 miles north of probably the U.S.'s top epicenter of the pandemic. How about in Australia? Are all businesses being closed-- by government decree? Unless you come up with some specific policy of some specific place for these supposed, business shutdowns (their operating at all, being made, "illegal") I will henceforth regard this contention of yours, nothing more than an ignorant rant.

 

Jesus, Chris, do you have any sense of humor, whatsoever? I don't know why you would have called it BRITISH AUSTRALIA, but knowing why any poster says any particular thing is not really my concern, & is above most people's pay-grade. Your comments are not an exception to this rule. Besides, I do not consider myself such an expert on Australia, that I can assume there might not be some basis for that way of putting it; or such an expert on you, that I would imagine this might not just be one of your idiosyncrasies. That's what I read, & it didn't seem so non-sequitor to me that I thought, "I must have skipped a line." What do you want from me? At 1st, I thought you were only curious for an explanation, which I gave you. But now, you want to argue that my explanation's not good enough? Or that I'm giving you a false story? Ah, but you see, that would be my ASSUMING that I knew WHY you asked me, why I thought you would want to be sure that I knew you didn't live with the Aborigines. Maybe you are truly asking that question without sarcasm, out of nothing but a sincere desire to understand. If that is the case, the beginning of this post explains that I was merely joking, & that I had not spent any appreciable amount of time trying to figure out your motives.

 

Absolutely. How does what you quoted translate to, "this is a biased study with a pre-determined conclusion," because, you know, I missed that.

 

Nicely done...

 

Called "IT?" I didn't say "BRITISH AUSTRALIA", I said that I am a British Australian!

 

Well I'm not talking about those periods. I'm talking about places such as LA and New York City. So individual cities rather than entire States. I'm also not talking about ALL businesses.

Many certainly were for a number of months last year. Many others voluntarily closed due to the inability to operate under restrictions, which is really no different to the government closing them.

 

Did I state something as fact?

 

The funny thing is, I was about to write, "that's a joke, right?" But, after a moment's more consideration, I believe you are being serious (the same as if you were saying, Mexican-American). But that would only lend credence to my explanation that, when I skipped the line, reading your post, I just took it to be your own way of phrasing something, since what you were saying still seemed comprehensible.

Too bad though-- it would have been a chuckle-worthy joke.

 

Can you share the link to your data source? I would imagine that New York would place higher up, in per capita cases, than 28th. Also, are you using the whole state, or just NY City, which may have its data listed separately.

You are now changing your argument, it's worth noting, from Red States' lackluster containment strategies being just as good as the generally stricter, Blue State tactics, to proposing that Florida handled the medical treatment of people, once they caught the virus, more successfully. Two reasons for that, immediately, spring to mind. The first is something I saw someone else explaining to you, about the medical community learning, with the earlier cases, what things worked & what didn't, which should have benefitted those states which didn't see a significant number of cases until months later. By then, there were even certain drug interventions, such as steroids, which had been found to lower mortality.

The second reason has to do with distribution of infections. Because the majority of NY State's cases were in NYC, this not only makes stopping its spread, in that highly-infected area, much more challenging, but it puts that much more stress on the hospitals of that area.

If your data is correct, though, and there were-- despite NYC being the Omaha Beach of Covid's sneak-attack, American invasion-- about the same number of per capita cases in NY as in Florida, that actually is very strong evidence that NY's methods of preventing transmission of the virus, were much more effective than those of Florida, which had no excuse for letting it get so widespread as it initially was in NY, prior to realizing that Covid had arrived in the country.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Yes, we have ran into the 'New York/New York City' confusion! I often have trouble knowing if people are referring to the City or the State. Since I CRAVE accuracy, I always say New York if I'm referring to the State, and New York City if I'm referring to the city. So to confirm, I'm talking about the State. Are you saying that you would imagine that New York State would place higher up than 28th, or New York City?

 

And as I told that person, which you must have read given that you cut it out from your quote of my post, "unless you know of a way in which the overwhelming of healthcare services can be measured so that States can be ranked in a way in which you think is fair, then all we have to go on is the data."

Utterly irrelevant. It wouldn't matter if every single last person on the planet was infected with the virus if they all recovered! Again, New York is 28th in cases per million, but 2nd in DEATHS per million, while Florida is 29th in cases per million but 27th in DEATHS per million. AND Florida has the second oldest population in the country! You may notice the capitalised word in bold.

 

The following is, to all appearances, a statement of what the writer is presenting as an undisputed, factual statement:

There is no wiggle-room, in that statement, & not even qualifications such as, "kind of; fairly; somewhat; can be."

Likewise, what you'd said, preceding that comment, is also not stated as an opinion (all you need to add are three letters: IMO) but as a truth. Despite your saving the specifics for the post I just quoted, above, it is clear that you are implying negative facts, as your reason behind the statement.

 

Just because there isn't a numerical formula to adjust for this, does not mean that one can ignore it, as if it played no role. I was just supplying very obvious,
logical reasons that put NY at a disadvantage in its response, & which would be expected to result in improved stats, elsewhere. I wasn't telling you, after considering those facts, what the updated ratings would be! But merely casting these things aside would be like (here comes an analogy) evaluating a two players, in a one-on-one basketball game, for their natural talent, & going by nothing but the score, despite the fact that one was a pro player, & the other was a high school student; or that one was playing with a broken arm & fractured foot. The things I mentioned are clearly things that need to be considered by anyone trying to come to any relative judgements, about different places. In other words, they mean that the numbers, on their own, are insufficient, misleading, & INVALID, as the sole source for comparing states in different circumstances.

 

@chris155au
Here, I'll give a different analogy. You're trying to figure out which is the better team, & limiting yourself to just the score of that game, while ignoring that that the losing team was missing its first-string quarterback, & star fullback, for that game. If that's the way you would evaluate this type of match-up, I hope you don't bet.

 

Okay, so then we have a stalemate. It cannot be said with 100% certainly that any State was worse than any other State.

 

It should be difficult to interpret that as an opinion. I highly doubt that you always add "IMO."

 

"I highly doubt," which you use, above, qualifies as a disclaimer, as far what follows it, being a statement of fact. And actually, yes, I do think I nearly always qualify statements, in that way, when I am not trying to assert them as fact. (I would have, like you, taken your, "that's a shame," comment as obviously just your opinion; but then, after your statement about her being a, "partisan, left wing, radical"-- & I'm not disagreeing w/ that statement, though the word radical is, by its nature, a very subjective term (& so benefits from some definition, or at least context; otherwise there is the chance, & with what little context you give, the high probability, that it will be taken to equate with the most extreme element of the group in question-- which is clearly not true, in this case)-- you asked, "Did I state something as fact?" Your not seeming to realize that, with your last statement, you certainly had stated it as a fact, led me to include the other statement as part of my post's explanatory intent, that is, in order to help you recognize when you are doing this, in the future.

 

What is your basis for saying their closing was due to an, "inability to operate under restrictions." I think circumstances will certainly vary, w/in that group, but I would suspect what you really mean (if you are being accurate) is that whatever profits they made were not worth staying open for. But to blame that ALL on, "restrictions," is a farce: business would have been down, anyway, because not everyone is so careless with their health as to go to an enclosed, public place (a business) in the middle of a pandemic.

In fact, a strong case can be made that any non-essential purchases that were made-- and there were many, at places from home improvement centers, to restaurants/take out-- were INCREASED due to their being restrictions in place. That is, the requirements for mask-wearing, social distancing, limiting of crowd-size (i.e., the concentration, or density of customers), and enhanced sanitation practices are what made many feel safe enough, to make these trips-- do you remember my video at the bookstore, which had a fair # of customers, when the guy came in, ignoring all the "masks required," signs? With no restrictions whatsoever, only the truly stupid would have gone to any of these stores.