M. P. Sean Fraser, proposed anti-feticide bill.

In 2010 at least 39 abortions took place after the foetus was 25 to 33 weeks or more.

http://abortionincanada.ca/stats/abortions-by-gestational-age/

 

Your website is Anti-Abortion making it's numbers extremely suspect and NO where does it reveal WHY late term abortions were done.

 

In a significant percentage of cases.....
the mother finally gave in to the father.....
or her parents...... or her friends.....
and decided to have the abortion in spite of the fact that
she obviously didn't want to......

or she would not have waited that long.....

http://www.theunchoice.com/articles/howcommoniscoercion.htm

 

You have no proof that women were FORCED to have abortions. None, you keep using Anti-Choice sites...



Now, why do you think it's bad to FORCE a woman to abort but OK to FORCE her to have a child ?

Why do you think women are nothing more than breeding cattle to be controlled by you???

 

Do you really think women gestate to the latter part of pregnancy if they are going to abort without it being for her health/life or severe fetal anomaly? They don't and in fact, you cannot get an elective abortion after viability here in Canada because doctors will not do it. No law is needed and if they were to enact one, it would be struck down by the SC.

I would never, ever encourage a woman to adopt out. Adoption is wrong, IMO.

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That's an anti choice site. Anti choice sites lie. Got anything from Stats Can?

 

Perhaps Abortion reform and not Abortion elimination would be more in order.

There are medically indicated Abortions in cases of severe untreatable deformities, or AIDS / HIV, in cases of rape / incest, underaged mothers, 12 and under.

However Education must needs play a vital role, teach people that Abortion is not a form of birth control.

 

Are you claiming that these are the only reasons a woman might get a late-term abortion? I see no evidence to support that.

I agree that a woman who gets an abortion after week 25 probably wanted to have a child, but you seem to be ignoring other factors.
Do you deny that some women get a late-term abortion because they have learned that the pregnancy represents a significant risk to their own health?
Do you deny that some women get a late-term abortion because they have learned that the fetus has a profound genetic abnormality (like Tay-Sachs) ?
Do you deny that some women with irregular periods don't even realize that they are pregnant until 3-4 months ?

I can believe that some women really are coerced by family to get an abortion. For example, a 15 year old girl who thinks she can handle being a single mom probably needs a reality check from her family. I can also believe some women have very good reasons of their own to get an abortion, but when somebody comes along asking questions, they deflect the blame to parents, or boyfriend, or the clinic. A cleverly constructed survey could even encourage that kind of response (e.g. "Did you feel any other person wanted you to get an abortion?" or "Did you feel other people did enough to discourage you from getting an abortion?").

If the survey takes a random sample of all women who have had an abortion, then you could get a better idea of how many were coerced (assuming the survey gets honest answers). This source uses surveys of women who are already seeking counseling for some reason, so there is a risk that they may find it easier to blame the abortion (and the people who failed to stop her) instead of digging deeper into more painful emotional issues (e.g. what led her to enter into the situation that left her with an unwanted pregnancy in the first place?).

Another way to look at your data is that 45% of the 252 women who were seeking help WERE NOT coerced into the abortion, and none of the other women who had abortions (how many thousands of abortions are there each year?) were upset enough to seek help.

 

I am not making a dogmatic claim here but......
it is fairly obvious if a young woman who is scheduled for an abortion within two weeks........
receives a phone call from the father of the foetus and says........

Dad....."Honey... great news.... my Uncle Wilbur passed on and left me one point three million dollars........

I think that we should cancel that abortion appointment?"

.....
A high percentage of expectant mothers......
would gladly cancel the abortion!

What percentage...... over fifty percent? I suspect so yes..... perhaps over eighty percent!

 

No... I am not attempting to deny that that happens in some cases.

No... i am not attempting to deny that that is another valid reason why an expectant mother might choose to have a late term abortion.

No... I am not attempting to deny that this could be another valid part of the formula.

 

Are you bored? Is that why you're digging up your old threads...if you're not denying anything in that post , why respond?

Your bill failed.....end of thread

 

For the moment....
no elected M. P. in Canada has grabbed onto that proposed bill to do anything with it but
that could change.

Canada's Green Party leader Ms. Elizabeth May is personally,
Pro-Life....... but officially Pro-Choice for a number of reasons.

She would love to see women deciding to keep their babies.....
or at least go full term and perhaps give them up for adoption but......
she is one of Canada's elected officials who would be in a position to do something
with that proposed bill.

 

I actually like it when somebody can prove me wrong on
an important point.......
I don't like having incorrect or incomplete information in my head
regarding important policy issues........

I had to publicly apologize to Green Party Leader Ms. May a while ago for
having zero comprehension of one potentially rather important aspect of
climate change.

Please take a peek at post #62 here to see how this topic might yet
produce results.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mpaign-my-apology-to-ms-elizabeth-may.394887/

Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!

 

One of the options in front of Canada's and America's Green Party would be to
print up something along the line of this........ and use it as a prop in a series of films
where expecting mom's could become actresses, playing the role of themselves......
and the Green Party notes could assist in the financing in a series of reality films designed to assist the mom's to complete their education.......
and not have to give up their child.

That would be an expansion of their range of "Choice"..... technically.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...m-hour-or-dollar-alternative-currency.496787/
Proposed Green Party Volunteerism Hour or Dollar alternative currency.

 

Bolded in blue above, mine.

For "education" read "brainwashing/shaming".

 

I was actually thinking more along the line of a degree in whatever field they want to go into.....

 

...and financial backing for their medical issues during pregnancy, financing their delivery and hospital stay, recompense for the physical damage ALL pregnancies cause and financing for the kid and the kid's food and education and clothes and housing ???

I didn't think so.

 

I do.... I believe that a minimum income is theoretically possible........

I suspect that it will begin in the nation of Israel... but will spread to all of the democratic world quickly........

A minimum income should be significantly increased for a single mom........


I have this idea of a minimum income in the back of my mind here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ive-party-volunteerism-hour-or-dollar.475481/

Proposal for the creation of a Conservative Party Volunteerism Hour or Dollar.

and here.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...liberal-party-volunteerism-hour-could.428203/

A Liberal Party Dollar or Liberal Party Volunteerism Hour could.......

 

There are other groups that might want to go toward brainwashing or shaming........
but not the Green Party......

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...m-hour-or-dollar-alternative-currency.496787/

Proposed Green Party Volunteerism Hour or Dollar alternative currency.

 

I quit reading after this spaced out idiocy: ""I do.... I believe that a minimum income is theoretically possible........

I suspect that it will begin in the nation of Israel""

Ya, pregnant women will wait around for that to happen...NOT!

 

I am working on attempting to get a variation of it in place before Yom Kippur 2017 due to the case that can be presented that a Jubilee year began on Yom Kippur 2016 and will go to the day before Yom Kippur 2017.

That is the conclusion that I came to after reading the predictions of Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel anyway.

 

I could be wrong....
a minimum income could perhaps begin in America and I have somebody specific in mind who could
explain a number of ways in which this could perhaps be done:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...eader-to-face-president-trump-in-2020.518678/

MMT proponent Chris Brown for DNC national leader to face President Trump in 2020.

....Chris Brown: "The reality is that we fear inflation more than we fear unemployment and wasting potential productivity." (from post #3)

 

Hilarious! You really think that women will quit having abortions if they have a guaranteed income ?!?......that's as silly as thinking that America will ever guarantee a livable income for anyone but the wealthy.

 

I think some women who otherwise would abort would carry to term with a guaranteed min. income. However, I do not think all women contemplating abortion would change their mind with a guaranteed income.

Incidentally, my province (Ontario) is doing a trial run with min. income in 3 communities. There's an election next year and it's expected the ruling party will lose, so I doubt it will go any further than that.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Hilarious! You really think that women will quit having abortions if they have a guaranteed income ?!?......that's as silly as thinking that America will ever guarantee a livable income for anyone but the wealthy.

Some would carry to term with a guaranteed income but my point was that there are other reasons for aborting besides financial.