Macron says ‘nothing ruled out,’ including using Western troops, to stop Russia winning Ukraine war

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  1. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    Apparently you don’t know us that well. I am liberal and I supported Reagan foreign policy, I supported H Bush foreign policy, I supported W Bush foreign policy until Jan 2003, then I realized W Bush dream about “ spread democracy to Islamic terrorist” is a pipe dream. Self-proclaim liberal like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren also have similar foreign policy.
     
  2. Lil Mike

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    Bernie Sanders supported Reagan's foreign policy?

    OK you are now in the realm of just making things up.
     
  3. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    GDP in Trillion

    China $19,374 18%
    India $3,737 4%
    Brazil $2,081 2%

    Russia $2,063 2%

    South Africa $399 0.4%
    Saudi Arabia* $1,062 1%
    Argentina* $641 0.6%
    UAE* $499 0.5%
    Egypt* $387 0.4%
    Iran* $368 0.4%
    Ethiopia* $156 0.2%
    BRICS Total $30,767 Trillion 29%

    and you think Putin is the leader of BRICS with Big plan?

    FYI US GDP is 25.1 trillion.
     
  4. Esau

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    The usa national debt ($34.47 T)
     
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    I didn’t say Sanders supported Reagan policy,, what I have said Sanders foreign policy is similar to Reagan foreign policy.

    Apart from Trump, every US POTUS had similar foreign policy in past 80 years – Stronger NATO and NATO Plus, strong alliance with Western democracy, adversarial but working relationship with China and Russia, unconditional support for Israel.
     
  6. Endeavor

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    SO WHAT ?
    The secrete no one will tell you about US national debt – only 7 trillion dollar is to foreign country. Rest of the debt to US government . It’s like I withdraw money from my savings account and keep track of how much money I withdrew.
     
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    Simply no. The Venn Diagrams of Sanders and Reagan foreign policy simply do not interact. Sanders has been on the Soviet's side.

    Reagan was not in office when the Soviet Union collapsed, so we don't have a Reagan policy for the post Cold War era. I doubt after ending the cold war, he would have been anxious to restart it.
     
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    vladimir putin is still the greatest leader of the last 500 years.
     
  9. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Put the blame where it belongs: Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski in July 1979:

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/articl...sin-in-afghanistan-began-in-1979-not-on-9-11/

    "In a Jan. 15-21, 1998, interview headlined 'How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen' in the weekly French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Carter’s National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski confessed:

    "'According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion, this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.' '[T]he Red Army rolled into the country on December 24, 1979.'"

    The US began destabilization efforts on the USSR's borders immediately after the end of WWII. Afghanistan is where those efforts first achieved "success."
     
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    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which factor contributed more to the demise of the USSR, Ronald Reagan or Soviet policies of perestroika and glasnost introduced by Mikhail Gorbachev?
    https://chat.openai.com/c/e7de3ac4-cc06-4363-8cd0-6ac3b4681cc8
    "In summary, Reagan's presidency played a significant role in the end of the Cold War through a combination of military, economic, diplomatic, and ideological factors.

    "However, it's essential to recognize that the end of the Cold War was a complex historical process influenced by a multitude of factors, both domestic and international."
     
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    This qualifies for the joke of the day!!:roflol:
     
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    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/10-countries-most-natural-resources.asp

    "1. Russia


    "Russia's natural resources reserves are worth $75 trillion by Statista's estimate.2 This amount incorporates, among other things, coal, oil, natural gas, gold, timber, and rare earth metals. Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources and the Environment produced a much lower estimate of $910 billion in 2019.3

    "U.S. Geological Survey. 'The Mineral Industry of Russia in 2017-2018,' Page 3.

    "Russia holds the world's largest prove natural gas reserves at 1.32 quadrillion cubic feet, accounting for nearly 20% of the global total as of 2020.4 Russia also has the second largest gold reserves at 6,800 tons, or more than 12% of global total as of 2021.

    "Russia was the world's third-largest crude oil producer at 12% of global supply in 2020. Russsia's proved oil reserves were the world's sixth largest at an estimated 107.8 billion barrels.6

    "In industrial diamonds, the country accounted for a third of 2021 global production and 61% of the commodity's reserves.7

    "2. United States

    The estimated value of natural resources in the U. S. is $45 trillion, almost 90% of which are timber and coal. In fact, the U.S. is the leading producer of coal.2

    "Statista. 'Leading Countries Worldwide Based on Natural Resource Value as of 2021.'

    " As of 2020, it had the largest proven coal reserves in the world."
     
  13. Endeavor

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    After all that Russian GDP is smaller then NYC.
     
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    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not quite.
    NYC GDP about $1.2 trillion compared to about $1.8 trillion Russian GDP.

    There are also controversies regarding the "contribution" to GDP from (NYC) finance, real estate, and insurance:

    https://hbr.org/2014/06/the-price-of-wall-streets-power

    "The most obvious consequence has been the tremendous growth of the financial sector.

    "In 1970 the finance and insurance industries accounted for 4.2% of U.S. GDP, up from 2.8% in 1950.

    "By 2012 they represented 6.6%.

    "The story with profits is similar:

    "In 1970 the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24% of the profits of all other sectors combined.

    "In 2013 that number had grown to 37%, despite the aftereffects of the financial crisis."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#:~:text=In 2022, GDP of New,or 3/4 was Manhattan.

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/RUS
     
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  15. Endeavor

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    When you are trying to prove Russian GDP is better then a city , you already lost your argument that Russia is a great economy.
     
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    My wife is Cherokee and that's the only reason I learned of the trail of tears.
    Is the genocide of the native tribes ever taught in schools?
     
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    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "1. Russia
    Russia's natural resources reserves are worth $75 trillion by Statista's estimate.2 This amount incorporates, among other things, coal, oil, natural gas, gold, timber, and rare earth metals.

    "Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources and the Environment produced a much lower estimate of $910 billion in 2019.3

    "Russia holds the world's largest proved natural gas reserves at 1.32 quadrillion cubic feet, accounting for nearly 20% of the global total as of 2020.4 Russia also has the second largest gold reserves at 6,800 tons, or more than 12% of global total as of 2021.5

    "U.S. Geological Survey. 'Mineral Commodity Summaries 2022 - Gold,' Page 2.

    "Russia was the world's third-largest crude oil producer at 12% of global supply in 2020. Russsia's proved oil reserves were the world's sixth largest at an estimated 107.8 billion barrels.6

    "In industrial diamonds, the country accounted for a third of 2021 global production and 61% of the commodity's reserves.7

    "2. United States
    The estimated value of natural resources in the U. S. is $45 trillion, almost 90% of which are timber and coal. In fact, the U.S. is the leading producer of coal.2 As of 2020, it had the largest proven coal reserves in the world..."

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/10-countries-most-natural-resources.asp
     
  18. Endeavor

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    yea the key word is "Statista's estimate." which means nothing.
     
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    Yep...supposedly all that "wealth"....yet 40% have no toilets(steal them from Ukraine)

    Can't make babies....(steal toddlers from Ukraine)

    Highest #s of HIV/AIDS cases in the world what WHO says .....same as alcoholics and Krokodil users

    A stellar 63 yr old life expectancy...


    70% of all population lives below poverty line

    20% of population would leave for better prospects else where

    Worthless rubble

    Worthless military,air force & navy.

    Where's the space program?

    I can go on?
     
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    It doesn't matter who is to blame
     
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    so...who made you the spokesperson for the UK...?
     
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    .....don't talk bollocks...
     
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    You are a self proclaimed spokesperson for jocks.

    iAm a self proclaimed spokesperson for UK.

    Those are the facts as it stands unless you can point to another person here who speaks for the Brits as a whole ..
     
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    "I am a self proclaimed SPOX for the UK"?

    I self proclaimed this to be the joke of the day....LOL.
     

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