Manafort’s Lawyer Said to Brief Trump Attorneys on What He Told Mueller

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  1. TomFitz

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    A lawyer for Paul Manafort, the president’s onetime campaign chairman, repeatedly briefed President Trump’s lawyers on his client’s discussions with federal investigators after Mr. Manafort agreed to cooperate with the special counsel, according to one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers and two other people familiar with the conversations.

    The arrangement was highly unusual and inflamed tensions with the special counsel’s office when prosecutors discovered it after Mr. Manafort began cooperating two months ago, the people said. Some legal experts speculated that it was a bid by Mr. Manafort for a presidential pardon even as he worked with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in hopes of a lighter sentence."

    So, Manafort has been reading Trump's lawyers into the Mueller case in violation of his plea deal...…

    "Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of the president’s personal lawyers, acknowledged the arrangement on Tuesday and defended it as a source of valuable insights into the special counsel’s inquiry and where it was headed. Such information could help shape a legal defense strategy, and it also appeared to give Mr. Trump and his legal advisers ammunition in their public relations campaign against Mr. Mueller’s office."

    Really, Rudy???????

    When you were a prosecutor, you would have put a witness who did that in jail!!!!!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/politics/manafort-lawyer-trump-cooperation.html
     
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    We all knew this was happening. Thats why all the angry tweets ;)

    AND. I also think that Trump has been given updates and information from the investigation by Whitaker. He’s been angry tweeting at random times about it because Whitaker is giving him briefings on what they have done, and what they are currently doing.
     
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    Mueller & Rosenstein both know better ... Coercing potential witnesses without 1st imposing a gag order? Doug Campbell was silenced for years by these 2 seasoned prosecutors ... seems like a rookie mistake.
     
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    Well, that rookie mistake is going to ensure Manafort does the max time allowed in jail for his convictions... Hope he finds it worth it, while he's hooked up to an IV in the prison hospital ward...
     
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    And Mueller now has evidence of Trump tampering with a witness.

    Cool. Add that to the treason and other crimes.

    Well...actually, I think the truth is a bit more complicated.

    Manafort and Trump have a mutual defense agreement, which allows them to share information. This doesn't really count as tampering with a witness. And while a plea deal usually voids a mutual defense agreement, Mueller apparently did not do so here.

    That said, Mueller waited until Trump had answered his questions before he openly declare that manafort had lied to prosecutors, so it is almost certain that Donald Trump told the same lies.
     
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    How would one apply a mutual defense agreement to a convicted felon?

    Oh, and how does Trump dangling a pardon square with that, because it sure looks like witness tampering to a lot of people.
     
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    Who knows thet let criminals that destroyed subpoenaed evidence run for president . So anything is possible with these guys.
     
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    You may want to familiarize yourself with the difference between an actual convicted criminal and an imaginary one conjured up for morons at rallies.
     
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    I heard them too.... impeach 45. Impeach 45...sick ..
     
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    I hate to break it to ya but lawyers can talk to one another.
     
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    Only when it would not violate attorney-client confidentiality or the terms of a plea agreement or the discussions were not being directed by a client with the corrupt intent of obstructing justice or committing another crime.
     
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    Yep! Mueller played them like fiddles.
     
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    The dangling of a pardon does start to come close to obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

    But joint defense merely refers to mutually aligned legal interests that makes it beneficial for both sides to share and discuss confidential communications for the purpose of that legal interest. The criminal status of either party stops that privilege when the communication is furthering (or obscuring) the commission of a crime or the joint defense is precluded because of things, like a plea agreement.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-trump-defense-manafort-criminal-20181128-story.html
     
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    Oh horseshit. You guys think you can just make up crimes. Downing’s discussions with the president’s team violated no laws.

    Mueller is treating people horribly & viciously, ruining lives for them refusing to lie.
     
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    Cool. Corsi is suing, Papadopoulos probably will too, Manafort is not composing, Flynn is not being sentenced, Trump is trashing the Mueller inquisition and destroying its credibility daily, the Russian company is making mockery of Mueller's bogus indictment, Whitaker is reining in the fishing expedition, a new AG is right around the corner and unlike the idiot before him, this one will have the brains and balls...

    Finally they've organized and act in unison. RESIST the witch hunt.
     
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    Reports ... and there are a LOT of reports ... say Manafort's deal is in jeopardy because Paul's still trying to conceal money he received for lobbying. It seems like Manafort's more worried about his estate than his fate. Manafort is a professional "spin doctor" who lied for years to tax auditors, subsequently lied to Mueller's investigators, and apparently continues to lie ... Paul wasn't anyone Mueller should have considered as a witness anyway, and now Mueller looks like an idiot for giving Guiliani a mole inside his Russiagate circus. Manafort must derive great satisfaction knowing he still has the ability to determine his rivals political fortunes.
     
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    Not for the purposes of undermining an ongoing investigation.
     
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    I don't know where you get these "reports" from. Talk radio or gateway pundit, maybe. But Mueller's team has been pretty clear about the real reason why the plea deal is off.
     
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    Check YOUR sources ... Manafort's deal is being revoked for lying about lobbying payments ... not for leaking to Guiliani.
     
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    Doesn't this disqualify Rudy to be the BLOTUS's personal lawyer since it could be grounds for disbarment?
     
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    Downing's team's conversations with Trump lawyers are highly unethical, if not illegal. This is very clearly a straightforward plot by Manafort and Trump to exploit Manafort's plea deal as a way of getting inside information on the Mueller probe.

    We'll see what the ramnifications are. Mueller is a lot smarter than any of Trump's lawyers (except maybe Emmett Flood, the rest of them are clowns). I would not be at all surprised if Mueller found out about it relatively quickly and used inteviews with Manafort to lead
    The real media, not the right wing trash media is reporting that Manfort has been talking to Trump's attorneys about what he was asked by the Special Prosecutor, thereby compromising the investigation (Trump's objective), and potentially violating the plea agreement.

    Yes, there is some reporting about him having lied about financial transactions. Which is to be expected, since he has consistently done that.
     
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    Some people have said so,

    But the Guliani really doesn't count. He's Trump's TV lawyer. He's there to entertain the Fox audience.
     
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    Hummm…… the right wingers went silent on this thread as soon as it became apparent that the lies were about the Trump Tower Moscow deal, something Trump lied aobut during and after the campaign, and which very much involves discussions with people closely aligned with Putin and the FSB.
     
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    Manafort is in jail. How could he be talking to Trump's attorneys?
     
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    Who says? That's what defense lawyers do, undermine the prosecutors.
     
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