Marine demands senior leaders accept 'accountability' for Afghanistan, gets removed from position

He's not talking just the Marines, is the country better off without this proven leader rather with the current leadership at the top?

 

This is the Ex. Branch that America elected and they have the con. I don't like any of them either but they are the duly elected civilian government.

Our military command stepped in and relieved this guy because what he was talking was poisonous, and could rot the system that relies on fealty to the chain of command from field grade to the Executive. Field Grade officers are a contact point in the Chain between boots and the command structure. What they say carries weight and can have serious consequences. They are leaders and people hear them and follow them.

 

The Cowards fired the Leader!

 

Did this person say anything that we ourselves don't know? There's nothing about it that's poisonous, quite the contrary rooting out forms of criticism is itself poisonous. It's said that one of the (many) reasons that Germany lost WWII is that Hitler didn't follow the advice of his generals. Is that where we're headed? Is the high brass so absolved that men and women on the front lines cannot criticize their superiors?

 

You are correct. The FBI is worthless.

 

the Lt. Col is correct but social media was a bad idea to share his thoughts, unless he exhausted other appropriate channels to make his voice heard ... he will be lucky to salvage his retirement ...

 

I haven't been in the military in decades but I can remember that it is a different world. Of course rank and file can and do criticize their superiors but if you are in a position of leadership then be careful what you say to subordinates. Take real complaints through the Chain.

 

Fully recovered.

 

did he have surgery on them?

 

I can't believe you people fall for this silly crap.

Laura Ingraham? LOL! I didn't know she went into comedy.

 

Yes it's hyperbole and clear exaggeration, but it has at least some small basis in truth.

 

Glad you can admit the whole thing is Stuoid Xoes fault. We’re proud of you.

 

He is a Marine, not a soldier. Trust me there is a big difference.

Had one of the Marines in his command written a letter to the editor as he did, I have zero doubt he would have busted the Marine.

 

Yes, he would have busted the Marine because that would have been his job.

“ My chain of command is doing exactly what I would do… If I were in their shoes,“ Lt. Col. Stu Scheller wrote in identical Facebook and LinkedIn posts announcing his dismissal from command of the Advanced Infantry Training Battalion at Ft. Lejeune, NC.”

 

What does this have anything to do with the situation in Afghanistan.

 

Unfortunately that's the way it has to work in the military. Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller maybe joins the status of Gen. Patten.

 

Dead in an auto accident? Or do you mean MacArthur?

Afghanistan debacle reveals general officer crisis.

Summary:

"The double standard isn’t just rank. Scheller was relieved. Vindman was promoted."

"The highest civilian leaders have lost legitimacy. So has the military high command. And the colonels are angry. That’s seldom a recipe for good things."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/470593/

To Survive, We Must Fire Them All.

 

No, because Patten was relieved of command for publicly criticizing his superior officers and the president for their handling of the post war efforts in Germany. You are absolutely correct about the dismal state of the top civilian and military command. They are far more focused on transgenderism and critical race theory than in supporting our great military fighting men and most mid-level officers. On the other hand, public dissent of a commanding officer is an absolute uncompromising taboo in military.

 

I wasn't aware of that. I know that he was killed in Germany.

I did know about this:
Relief of Douglas MacArthur - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Truman's_relief_of_General_Douglas_MacArthur
On 11 April 1951, U.S. President Harry S. Truman relieved General of the Army Douglas MacArthur of his commands after MacArthur made public statements which contradicted the administration's policies. MacArthur was a popular hero of World War II who was then commander of United Nations Command forces fighting in the Korean War, and his relief remains a controversial topic in the field of civil ...

Yup. Here it is:

During the Allied occupation of Germany, Patton was named military governor of Bavaria, but was relieved for making aggressive statements towards the Soviet Union and trivializing denazification. Severely injured in an auto accident, he died in Germany twelve days later, on December 21, 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton

 

Really? This is your criteria for firing everyone? I mean, was the withdrawal bungled? Probably. But if you think this warrants firing everyone, including the president, I have some bad news for you. You will be firing every president and military leadership in modern US history and probably the majority before then too.

 

Are they more focused on those issues? I doubt it very much. If they were, those wouldn't be issues.

 

This is a Pentagon problem.

10's of millions of dollars spent for salaries to plan out military scenario's

This has nothing to do with President Biden.

They give their recommendations on plans based on their judgements.

I don't elect a President who is versed as an Expert on everything ........ only Trump was that

I elect a President who takes careful consideration with conscience and a history of being a stand up guy.

 

Yes and he was fully aware but willing to do so for what he believes for the country. I think a lot of s*** is going to hit the fan over this and I hope that his wishes come true for a reevaluation of the top leadership but unfortunately we don't have a leader to do that.

 

It's the PRESIDENT'S problem he's the COMMANDER IN CHEIF they all report to him. He made the decisions and he touted himself as an expert in these matters and the MAN to be there to make these decisions.

 

Since Vindman was glorified for being a whistleblower who should have faced a court martial.

This Marine is obviously going to face a CMJ tribunal first, so Biden needs to worry about his own statements of action.

The tribunal determines if there was "cause" to challenge the actions of his superiors. Any and all superiors.