Mass shooting in the state of California

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  1. Xenamnes

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    CA is a dump. No wonder so many are fleeing that place.
     
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    Ya it is. The Democrats at ABC cover up the homeless crisis like they do pedophile princes.

    Most of America doesn't know how bad it is.
     
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    An OBVIOUS consequence of having too many guns readily available for every moron that wants to own them.And we have no shortage of morons all over our country.
     
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    Remember post like this when Democrats say they don't want to come for your guns.
     
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    Please explain the true causes and best solutions to the homeless "crisis" that is being covered up. Support it with data, not feelings, beliefs, or your favorite bumper sticker slogan. If you can.
     
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    Went to a school in LA county awhile back as part of a program to talk to students about education and how important graduating high school is. The teachers and school administrators had a strategy to put all the good students in one classroom and take all the bad students and put them in another. The "good" classroom had about 15 students in it and when we asked where the rest of the students were, they gave excuses and balked at our requests to see the rest of the students.

    We got our way and we saw the other classroom. It was a disgrace. Students out right swearing at teachers, no classroom control, no punishments for students and the students even resorted to intimidation and to threats if they were given work or assignments. They expected to be passed without learning anything. It was impossible to even talk or reason with these kids, they were the worst of society at such a young age.

    Talking privately with teachers afterwards they claimed that the school administrators had a strict policy of just pushing these kids through and not actually teaching. They wanted diversity and they wanted inclusion to work so badly they were willing to allow children to threat, intimidate and to ruin the classroom to prove their "working model" was how schools should be run. Teachers were quitting at an alarming rate and the ones that stayed were fearful of being pointed out by students to their gang member family members and friends.

    School administrators are killing these schools and society in general in low income cities and counties. LA is a complete mess and getting worse. I felt bad for the "good" students who were intimidated and beat up regularly by these kids. There was no recourse or protection unless there was serious injury and rose to the felony level.
     
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    Based on what? People are moving for economic reasons to lowest cost of living states, but that's not really a "problem" for the 5th largest economy in the world. You know, a dump. Where do you live again?
     
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    That's a nice story, but I bet you can find this issue in lots of places. The real question is how does this impact the state? The city? The county? Because all seem to be doing really well by the one measure that should matter to so called "conservatives" like you, the money.
     
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    I think its safe to assume this is an issue in all 50 states, honestly I can't say for sure how we did it back in the 80's with my generation because I didn't hang around the types that fit the description above. I do recall I had to ace my anatomy class to avoid summer school, so based on that limited annecdotal info, I assume we actually required kids to learn/pass each class but I have no idea if there were 10, or 100 kids that just did nothing and graduated, I just know what I dealt with.
     
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    My mom is a retired school teacher. She had good students, that is students that worked and earned the grades they got and their parents accepted that and pushed them to do their best even if their best was a B or a C. And then she had bad students who came with parents who didn't want their kids held accountable and wanted to blame the teachers/schools.

    It is a problem in any state and you can find it anywhere. California doesn't have exclusive rights to this problem.
     
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    Taxpayers fleeing the state in droves and being replaced by illegals. Why do you ignore facts?

    No. Prove that it happens in other locations. LA county is a mess. As bad as Camden, NJ. I have never seen classrooms separated like that except for remedial Math and English and even then it was temporary with the class always being reunited.
     
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    I don't.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-population-growth-20190501-story.html

    So one major driver in the slowest growth since 1900, notice population still went up, just slower, was a decline in immigration from the place you meant to say when you said illegals because you weren't talking about people from Eastern Europe.

    As for why people leave California, it's because of expensive housing which the article also notes. You know what makes housing expensive. HIGH DEMAND. So again, people leaving for states with cheaper housing isn't really a "problem" and one that is solved by the free market as eventually enough people not buying homes will lower housing prices.



    The FIRST one is from Oklahoma.

    https://www.google.com/search?clien...yt in public schools for students&safe=active

    It happens all over the country. We don't hold kids back for lots of reasons. And I don't know if holding kids back is the answer or not to all our educational issues, but it's not solely limited to California or New Jersey.

    So again, you personally don't like California? Fine. But admit that it's your personal opinion. The data doesn't support the notion that California is the worst place in the nation. In fact, the data shows it's still the "best" by any objective measure. Those objective measures may not matter as much to you as other subjective measures, and that's fine, but at least admit that. I don't live in California for lots of reasons, most subjective than can be measured. That's my choice. I don't need to hurl an opinion based insult at the state to justify my choice.
     
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    Pray tell, exactly which firearm-related restrictions could the state of California implement that would have prevented this incident from occurring?
     
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    Awfully demanding there...

    Like 25% of all the homeless people in America live in California. I like in California and seen the problem grow exponentially over the last 10 years.

    The cause? Drug use. The vast majority of homeless are hooked on drugs. The tent cities are full of zombie like people, burned out tweakers.

    You also have Democrats allowing foreign nationals to pour into California and compete with American homeless for resources meant for Americans.

    Watch the startrek episode "past tense"
     
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    What "common sense gun safety law" would have prevented this?
     
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    The one where storm troopers go around grabbing all the guns and melting them.
     
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    Shooting and killing at a Football TV Party is just uncalled for no matter where it is. I hope they find the killer soon and make the killer(s) pay for what they did. That's all I'm going to say
     
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    Not that CA is exactly a microcosm for the rest of the nation, as it's sort of a proliferation of subsectionality, in and unto itself. - None the less, every national gun grabbing 'wet dream' has already been instituted & to what avail? (or should I say to what detriment)...

    Disarming the populace & taking away the potentiality of reciprocal 'be fired upon & fire returned' - aint exactly a healthy course of action, (imho, of course).
     
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    The pro-mass-shooting party got what it wanted. Again.
     
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    The fewer people who can legally carry a gun, the less likely it is that someone legally carrying a gun will be present to mitigate/stop a mass shooting.
    So yes - their plan is working.
     
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    Correct. Including those morons who actually believe that guns kill people as opposed to the truth about killing, that people kill people. Moreover, those same morons are the exact type and class of moron who somehow believes that its OK to kill 652,000 unborn each and every year in the United States of America. All the while, that class of moron somehow thinks that the 16,000 annual killings by other morons who used a gun are somehow a more compelling case for the use of Time, Energy and Effort on banning the very thing that does not kill - the Gun.

    Yeah, there are tons of Morons living within the boundaries of the United States of America these days. No doubt. I am 100% in agreement with that sentiment.
     
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    And Democrats say they don't want to ban all guns. Whatever.
     
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    I think mass shootings will happen regardless of gun laws.
    The only way to stop it would take extreme, dark ages type measures .
    I'm talking live streamed week long torture of the shooter.
     
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    The human species possesses an innate need to destroy itself through whatever means possible. There is not a punishment that can be implemented to deter those that seek fame and recognition through whatever means possible, in a world that does not recognize them as even existing.

    The only way to truly go about preventing the commission of future mass shootings is to completely change the way the media reports them to the public. So long as the media glorifies the murdering of others, and continually mentions the personal details of the perpetrator, more will be inspired to commit copycat incidents so their name, photograph, and personal details will be made public knowledge.

    To put a significant end to mass shootings, it is necessary to treat the murderer as if they do not exist. Inform the public that an incident has occurred, cover the names of the victims, but mention absolutely no details relating to the murderer. Give them no recognition, there will be no incentive to go about killing as many as possible in the name of recognition.
     

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